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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 11:43

Jim Pickard@pickardje
I can reveal that Amber Rudd is going to stand as an independent at the next election - but not in Hastings & Rye

Oh. That's interesting...

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 11:43

Dark
People rent for different reasons. Not everyone wants to buy where they are renting and some people will never be able to buy. You need a pool of rental properties for them.

Also people have invested in property based on the current laws so it’s potentially a huge change in their property rights being imposed by the state retrospectively. The state is seeking to mandate what someone is entitled to do with their own private property ( I can see the headlines in the Daily Mail now).

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 11:44

Why is everyone so obsessed with the polls? They’re meaningless at this point. Before the 2017 election was announced the polls pointed to a landslide for May. Look how that ended.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 11:45

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE
· 10m
I can reveal that Amber Rudd is going to stand as an independent at the next election - but not in Hastings & Rye

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 11:45

In my view mojo the people who should own those houses are the ones who pay for them. And that, for all your protests, is the tenant, not the landlord. Those investments you've worked so hard for are paid for by us tenants, and what do we get out of it exactly?

I was a tenant from age 18 to 36 - my rent paid for the roof over my head during that period.

Obviously the landlord has to make investments - to purchase the property in the first place and to keep it in reasonable nick.

I'd be up for a lot of different measures to make it easier for tenants to get on the property ladder but the compulsory purchase of private property, possibly at a loss to the owner isn't one of them I'm afraid.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 11:46

The simple answers to addressing the private rental market is build social housing where it is needed and/or invest more outside of the SE to reduce the the attractiveness of moving to London and the Home Counties.

They are trying very hard to build social housing in the next village.

Biggest objector to the development is a lady who bought her house through RTB.

Nimbyism is a huge problem. As is the stigma of the people who live in social housing. In the meantime in the same village a plot of 4/5 bed ‘executive homes’ had been built and sold with no objections.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 08/09/2019 11:46

Renting is a Bad Thing. House ownership, the same as any other asset ownership, brings security. There's going to be one hell of problem later down the line when my generation and the next all still need to rent in the retirement we're no longer allowed to enjoy. The health inequality as poorer people die earlier will become extreme, to match that evident in the so-called less-developed and less-civilised world. But of course, that won't affect anyone who really matters. So much for democracy: how will Britain keep up its pretensions of superiority then?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 11:46

Sorry for the Xpost Red

NotaRealLawyer · 08/09/2019 11:47

There are indeed such things as Mandatory injunctions. I do know that much.

Dominic Grieve ( former AG) spoke about the possibility of a mandatory injunction the other day to require BJ to act if he failed to do so as required by law.

If he ignored that, then he would be in contempt of court which I understand to then be a criminal act?

So I'm still inclined that way. As in " look what they made me do".

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 11:47

Could Johnson refuse to comply with opposition demands by merely presenting a deal to the EU which they can not accept (to blame them) whilst hoping they won't offer an extension either.

Thus the demand for extension by government useless as is the Kinnock amendment.

Then we have a bit of an issue...

DarkAtEndOfUK · 08/09/2019 11:48

I was a tenant from age 18 to 36 - my rent paid for the roof over my head during that period.

Whoop-de-doop. It should have been paying for an investment and security for you, not for someone else.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 11:49

Plus RTB doesn't resolve the same issue for the next generation does it?

So today's tenants buy the properties they rent - how does that help the next generation of people?

More social housing - back to levels that existed previously of decent housing (not tower blocks) would be a million times better IMO.

Frankiestein402 · 08/09/2019 11:49

I suspect Cummings is out of his comfort zone, outside government almost any trick was possible - in government he's dealing with people who've had decades of experience finagling procedures - and as I said earlier allowing the spending statement to be pushed off the news agenda couldn't have been a 'plan'

DarkAtEndOfUK · 08/09/2019 11:50

Or to put it another way, it could - and would in earlier times - have been paying for the roof over your head for the next 20 years, not just for now. We've been scammed, and the worst thing is that so many can't even see it any more because they've been born into it.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 11:50

Rob Powell @robpowellnews
Deleted Tweet from Minister @GeorgeFreemanMP saying Rudd's resignation is a "massive blow... to the confidence of all of us not privy to Cabinet papers or discussions, who look to Colleagues in Cabinet for reassurance that there is a serious ambition to get a Withdrawal deal".

Freeman says he deleted the tweet after "speaking to the PM & senior Cabinet Colleagues". Says he's "reassured that the negotiations to find an alternative arrangement to the backstop are being vigorously pursued". But he supports no deal on Oct 31 if the EU don't budge.

NotaRealLawyer · 08/09/2019 11:50

Ah! Sorry Red missed your post.
Now that's a very interesting point indeed.
I'll sit back and listen for a while again.....

Violetparis · 08/09/2019 11:52

Alsohuman to answer your question, I find polls interesting because of what hapened in 2017 and thought others on here may be interested too.

NotaRealLawyer · 08/09/2019 11:52

So they will keep shtum till 17/18th and there will be a big reveal which EU cant accept? Hmmm

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 11:54

Ian Blackford
@IanBlackfordMP
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The new DWP secretary is well known for her attack on pensioners. Yet another appointment that shows the UK Government being full of extreme right wingers determined not only to deliver a no deal Brexit but attack pensioners rights.

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 11:54

Fair enough @Violetparis, I get that. I’m not sure a lot of people do though.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 11:56

I am both Tennant and a landlord.

I’m lucky my landlord is good leaves us to it sorts out problems instantly. But then I’m a good tennant who treats the house as I would my own.

Perhaps a scheme whereby capital gains tax wouldn’t apply to landlord should landlord sell to a tennant who has lived there for a certain length of time ?? More carrot than stick approach??

Or simply a landlord needs to offer first refusal to s Tennant at market value of course ??

I’m sure there’s millions of flaws in my idea just kicking a few ideas around.

Safe to say housing is a massive problem in this country.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 11:56

Whoop-de-doop. It should have been paying for an investment and security for you, not for someone else

So talk me through how it should work in your world then?

A private landlord has put £300k into a property as part of their pension on the assumption the property price should rise over the 15 years they intend to keep it, you pay £600 per month rent for 5 years. Property is now worth £330k...and what should happen?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 11:57

So I reckon Tom Watson is going to join the LibDems as soon as the Benn Bill gets enacted

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 11:57

The knives are really out for Cummings.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/08/call-to-cancel-dominic-cummings-commons-security-pass

IDontBelieveYou · 08/09/2019 11:59

£600 rent on a £300k property sounds unlikely.

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