Can remainers tell me why you wouldn't vote for Corbyn in a GE?

[CaptainWarbeck]

Discussing Brexit with centre right friend who is adament despite voting Labour in previous elections she would never vote for Corbyn. When pressed she mentions links to trade unions but can't tell me why that's a bad thing.

I don't love Corbyn but I would vote for him over the absolute mess that is the Tories at the moment. Why for remain/Labour voters right now is he so politically toxic?

It’s amazing how Corbyn can be a power mad Hitler figure bent on destruction and a ineffective, useless leader continually missing open goals at one and the same time.....

Not really given he is currently leading the opposition. Badly.

I agree. I just wish he’d show his power mad side a bit more often!

He’s pro Brexit. The only party that’s pro remain is the Lib Dems.

I am a little puzzled by the idea of pro and anti Brexit parties. There are plenty of pro remain Tories, and there is a strong socialist case for leave. The whole point is that whichever party is in power has to do its best to deliver Brexit- however committed or not they are to it.

No, they don’t. The Lib Dems want to stop it.

www.libdems.org.uk/

@bellinisurge had it in the first comment:

He's a fucking useless twat

I'm also married to the military and the contempt with which he treats the armed forces enrages me.

So much more, but it's Friday evening and I am in wind down not wind up mode! In short, JC looks like a face on a scrotum and I've fondled scrotums that could do a better job.

He’s a hypocrite. A puppet. A muppet.

He’s very very very stupid. This would be a problem even if he were well intentioned, which he isn’t.

Because I don’t live in his constituency. I may vote for a labour candidate or for my current labour-defector MP or even a Lib Dem depending on who I think has the best bet of being elected as a non-Tory. However, Corbyn can’t command the confidence of his own MPs and would not be a successful PM.
I say this as someone who voted for him in the labour leadership election and who is baffled by the idea that he is “hard left”. It’s long past time for him to step down though.

“He’s very very very stupid.”

I’m not saying he isn’t. And I would dance a jig if I got a news flash that he had stepped down. But why do you think he’s stupid?

’Milne is the Labour version of Cummings’

I always think of Milne as the dark elf to Cummings goblin.

I won't vote for him as he's a brexiteer but doesn't even have the guts to admit he is. They've flip flopped around so much with their position on brexit that I cannot trust him.

I think he’s stupid because he speaks and behaves like a stupid person. Generally it’s quite easy to tell these things, isn’t it?

Well Johnson’s speeches so far have been utterly deranged. Just a load of off topic, rambling, incoherent nonsense, trying and failing miserable for Trump’s populist appeal. Intellectually he’s roughly on a level with Corbyn (his flowery but empty Eton repartee leaves me unimpressed I’m afraid) . But unlike Corbyn he is a despicable, immoral, untrustworthy liar. So Corbyn gets my vote.

“So much more, but it's Friday evening and I am in wind down not wind up mode! In short, JC looks like a face on a scrotum and I've fondled scrotums that could do a better job.”

And yet he is the twice elected leader of HM Opposition fighting for a more just society, and you are making spiteful observations of his physical appearance on MN.

I wouldn’t ‘vote for Corbyn’ because his name won’t be on my ballot paper! I may indeed vote for my Labour MP candidate though. We really need to get away from this idea that we are voting directly for Cornyn or BoJo. We vote for our local representative!

Because he's an anti-Semitic Marxist who I wouldn't trust to run a bath, let alone a country. I've more faith in Boris and that really is saying something.

@eurochick
Which of his policies are “far left”? Could you name 3?

I wouldn't vote for Corbyn because I don't think he actually wants to be PM. I'm unclear on why he's leading the Opposition. I lived in his constituency years ago when he was a popular back bencher known for voting with his conscience. I never thought he'd make a good leader and here with are with living proof of that.

I have always voted Labour but will be casting my vote for the Lib Dems at the next electjon. Brexit is the main reason but also my local Labour MP is absolutely useless and has proved to be no help whatsoever with a serious problem my neighbours and I have contacted her about several times over the past 2 years. She is a disgrace, refuses to engage with us and with we only receive dismissive e-mails from her assistant.

I hope she loses her seat at the next election but sadly very unlikely as my constituency is and always has been rock solid Labour.

I think uk population in general tends to be very right leaning and more so in the recent years. So Corbyn will come across as far left.

“ think he’s stupid because he speaks and behaves like a stupid person. Generally it’s quite easy to tell these things, isn’t it?“
Yep- I think it is. Thanks for the heads up.

@Cam77 renationalisation of privatised industries, whopping tax increases on corporations and individuals, greatly increased power to trades unions...

All in the manifesto. Would you like me to go on? I actually advise people on the legal consequences of this stuff.

Symtomless, I think you're right.

I grew up in Scotland and I live in France and I think Corbyn is slightly left of center. In France, neither Corbyn nor McDonnell would be considered far left. AT ALL. In France they have an actual Communist Party which people vote for quite happily and who are considered properly left wing but not scary Stalinists.

Which, IMO, goes to show a few things:

1. the British population is on the whole pretty right wing and many people who describe themselves as left wing aren't at all in European terms.

1. The British press is biased, irresponsible and very right wing.
2. The Overton window of British politics is decidedly right wing.

If a Labour government had done one tenth of what the Tories have done they would have been SLAUGHTERED in the press and ridiculed out of power for evermore by the public. Just look at what they have done! They inflicted their internal party dispute on the general public in the form of a referendum, they lied in the campaign for that referendum, they made promises they cannot deliver, they have failed to deliver on the result of that referendum let alone delivering what they promised leaving the EU would achieve, they can't keep a leader in place, they disrespect parliament and democracy, they purge their party of moderates, etc, etc.

And that is without even touching on austerity and their unpleasant policies and values.

And people are complaining about Corbyn.

It's taken me ages to understand what is going on in British politics but when I read threads like these (of which there are many on MN) it just makes me think that it is actually very simple. England is basically a very right wing country and much of its population is very very receptive to a propagandist press telling them that people like Corbyn and McDonnell are akin to Stalinists because they want to renationalize the railways and make very rich people pay a highish rate of tax.

Which I guess is why the UK is in the mess it is. It's a shame though.

I've previously always been a Labour voter, but I wouldn't vote for Labour now as they are pro Brexit. I would vote Lib Dem now, even though our local MP is brilliant, at the end of the day he represents the Labour Party.