Can remainers tell me why you wouldn't vote for Corbyn in a GE?

[CaptainWarbeck]

Discussing Brexit with centre right friend who is adament despite voting Labour in previous elections she would never vote for Corbyn. When pressed she mentions links to trade unions but can't tell me why that's a bad thing.

I don't love Corbyn but I would vote for him over the absolute mess that is the Tories at the moment. Why for remain/Labour voters right now is he so politically toxic?

Terrible in opposition in recent years
Failed to turn his movement into a coherent set of policies
Poor quality policy (eg weird private right to buy suggestions instead of house building programme higher taxes for btl or rent control)
Petty and partisan leadership (eg not punishing anti semites but expelling Alistair Campbell)
Unable to unite his party - favouring deselection tactics over proper consensus
Is a Brexiteer

Firstly you vote for your local mp, in a GE, as randoms mentioned.
....but i wouldn't want JC as PM anyway.
The last 3 years have been a total shitstorm for the conservatives with lots of in-fighting, no confidences, change of leaders etc. This could have been the perfect opportunity for Labour to present a really credible and attactive alternative for voters....and all the time JC is leader i don't think they will. He sat on the fence in the lead up to the referendum and has never IMO had a clear and viable alternative plan for brexit/remain.
And while i like the idea of scrapping uni tuition fees, i feel pretty sure there would be numerous extra taxes to pay for it.

Because he is shifty as fuck and I don’t trust him. He has gone back on his word about Brexit so many times. He also doesn’t seem to value women enough to have them in his cabinet.

The link to unions isn’t bad, the head of unite, McCluskey is awful, he had a moderate opponent sacked, 1970s corruption style. I wouldn’t vote labour as a remainer because they still want to get a better brexit, more fairy stories.

I will vote lib dems, as they have a a always have had a clear remain position.

JC has allowed men to steal places on women only shortlists.

There are a heap of other reasons, including anti-semitism, but his lack of respect for women's rights is a deal breaker for me - cosying up to Madigan.

Also think we need to back off all big changes and just fund services better. Too much badly executed change.

I have always said I would vote for him, watching BJ and the sense of overwhelming evil that is taking over politics (the Tory party) at the moment- I think remainers need to swallow there disgust, and support him to lead a GNU. It's the only way to stop the far right taking hold.
The reality is in this situation he would be on a really short leash and requires all his coalition partners to support him to acheive anything.

He's a fucking useless twat.

Yes, that about sums it up for me too. He umms and aaahs, he dithers, he grandstands and plays to the faithful but doesn't really have a plan. He is no "leader" in any way, shape or form. He's also not a remainer - he is not a fan of the EU and is quite happy we're leaving.

Plus he fills his inner circle with far left people like the odious John McDonnell and the incompetent Diane Abbott.

The Tories have been systematically decimating society all the time that he's been Labour leader. So much he could have really lambasted them for, yet he's done fuck all that's made any impact as leader of the opposition.

I'm not a Blair fan at all but when he was leader he opened his big mouth + went out on the road so you couldn't fail to see and hear him. Again I'm not a fan but I like that style.

Labour and their leader look to me as a bunch of lazies who can't be asked to get out there. They've so much ammunition given what the rich posh boys party have done to this country but honestly.. For the Tories it must be akin to being mauled by a mouse. There's just no substance to this Labour party.

I also don't like what's happened under Corbyn re women's rights/womens' posts within his Party. I've only ever voted Labour but it would gall me to vote for him.

He is a misogynistic old leftie who condones anti Semitism and wants to hammer the middle classes.

Whatever happened to allowing social mobility? I come from a working class background, have been lucky and worked hard and am now more than happy to pay my taxes. However, Corbyn is so bloody spiteful that he will tax the hell out of us. Oh, and I think he is incompetent and not that bright.

And did I mention he hates women?

I am a left leaning remainer. It should be a no brainer for me to vote labour, but I will not.

I don’t see why I have to back him - I won’t vote for the SNP because they want independence, even if they are on the right side of brexit, and I won’t vote for labour as they are brexiteers.

I’d be happy if they had a remain coalition but all we have as of now is an anti no deal brexit coalition

He is more of an activist than a politician, he has consistently voted as a Brexiteer over the years dating back to fairly recently. He plays to the crowd where he can’t be challenged, changes his mind to ever at that time shouts the loudest. But can’t provide any clear plan.

Plus all the points already raised above.

**JC has allowed men to steal places on women only shortlists.

There are a heap of other reasons, including anti-semitism, but his lack of respect for women's rights is a deal breaker for me - cosying up to Madigan.**

^ This. I won’t vote for someone too stupid to see the inherent risks in self identification, and willing to throw women’s hard earned rights away for a few woke points.

I have nearly always voted labour. And I want to next time, I do. But I think a PM Corbyn, and more specifically a Chancellor McDonnell would be a disaster for this country and plunge us into recession.

I don’t want to vote Tory (Boris ffs) and I feel the lib dems (perhaps my natural alternative) have sold out women in the interests of appearing liberal on trans rights. I feel politically homeless. However I vote I think I will be doing it holding my nose.

But in a general election you’re not voting for the individual, you’re voting for the party. I presume loads of Tories loathe Johnson, but will still vote Conservative in a general election.

Well, you’re voting for your constituency MP, obviously, but my point remains. You’re not voting for the leader.

But the leader is so unpalatable - even if Jess Phillips or Tom Watson was my MP I’d struggle as they are in the Labour Party and they are not being listened to, quite the reverse.

And to add I’d have found a Stewart led Tory party something I could probably vote for. Possibly Hunt but not Johnson.

The MSM just do not report what good Labour or JC does, they also ignore tory fuck up's, so Hammond bumbled the cost of HS2, Abbott bumbles police figures... which one got to stay in the publics mind?

Labour have opposed every single austerity policy, they also have strong policies on health, education and social housing... none of this gets reported, likewise the deaths and suicides caused by reductions in benefits don't get reported on either BUT they will drag up 30 year old photos of JC with Jerry Adams.
Islamophobia in the tory party ignored, anti semitism in Labour high lighted day in day out.

JC anti women? really? Boris goes fucking around, having children from several different women, not providing for them and yet again, completely ignored by MSM.
If Yvette Cooper had 4 kids by 4 different men, she'd be called 4 x 4 across every tabloid and newspaper.

There are 2 different standards applied to Labour and Tory parties.

Corbyn can be a great campaigner but he is a terrible leader.
The last few years have proved that.

I'd be more interested in why would you want corbyn as PM .
I absolutely don't for all the reasons everyone has listed but i have to say i did vote Labour last election as i felt our local candidate was the most engaged and in touch with the constituents.

Could someone tell me why I should vote for them please?
What are their domestic policies that will be better?
Will they definitely stop Brexit?
Thanks

But in a general election you’re not voting for the individual, you’re voting for the party.

Yes, theoretically. But the leader has so much more power and influence to set the general tone and specific policies than individual back bench MPs do. Once a leader decides they want a policy it pretty much gets adopted. The same cannot be said of backbenchers. Leaders are only ousted in exceptional circumstances. It would be naive to ignore the existence of party leaders one finds unpalatable. The reality is they are hugely influential.

JC anti women? really? Boris goes fucking around, having children from several different women, not providing for them and yet again, completely ignored by MSM.*

I’m not talking about their personal lives. I was asked why I wouldn’t vote for a Corbyn led Labour- my answer is that I find JC’s policies on gender issues unacceptable.

“Once a leader decides they want a policy it pretty much gets adopted”
Well, up to a point. But if that is the case, the Labour Manifesto contains a set of very mildly left wing policies that are mostly hard for anyone to object to. And Corbyn is the leader responsible for it.