Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

oub If you are such an intelligent professional why have you not realised that you don't need Corbyn's policies to go through parrliament for the damage to be done. Every major investor in the UK would pull out overnight with a hard left government.

We would see a mass exodus of capital.

This is certainly not scaremongering it is the bloody truth.

Last night we heard on this thread that banks supported Corbyn, one failed German bank and a two bit trader from Citi apparently. Only this morning in the Times we hear McDonnell saying he will halt all bonuses.
Do you really think leading global banks will support their legs being cut from beneath them as they unable to pay the best in the world to come and work in London?

I am amazed that you simply do not grasp the gravity of the situation.

London is the financial capital of the world, and props up a large proportion of the country with the huge sums of money it generates for the UK. Banking and the financial services in general would be killed stone dead with policies like this.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/john-mcdonnell-warns-city-he-will-take-axe-to-offensive-bonuses-bqkq3ft5v

You are are dangerously deluded if you think this is good for our country.

We will eventually see that leave and remain will have their own parties, with their own message

But leave and remain aren’t uniting policies.

Essentially deciding whether to be a member of the EU is a pragmatic decision that is largely governed by factors over which the U.K. has limited control.

The Leave vote was driven by rhetoric that had very little to do with the reality of being an EU member.

Campaigns can be based on fantasy, but governments have to operate in reality.

Every major investor in the UK would pull out overnight with a hard left government.

Oh the irony.

If I were the 'Rebel alliance', I would have a caretaker Government. I would NOT have Corbyn in charge.

Focus on having lots of indicative votes in Parliament. Find out what has a majority.

Take it to the EU - see how they feel.
Then have a vote on it in Parliament.

That will prompt howls of protests from hard Leavers about 'this is not what people voted for' - and then they would call for a public vote....

Then we'll see what happens.

merry and that says it all. What policies??!!
I hope for your sake you are joking.

cho Corbyn and labour will not support anyone but Corbyn leading a rebel alliance, so that idea is dead in the water.

"'forriners' taking 'our resources'."

Well, those damn doctors, nurses and care workers from the E27 know when they aren't welcome

The "hostile environment" has reduced the number of EU immigrants and increased the number from the rest of the world

So it's different foreigners taking our resources

Green you don't need a 6 figure salary to see what Brexit and Boris' No Deal do to the pound

And no, I don't expect Labour to state which red lines they will drop before new negotiations even start

Which makes them no better than the Tories.

Nothing better than the WA is possible with the current red lines so if people are expected to actively chose Labour they should be clear on what their priorities are- just saying stay in SM/CU is more unicorns

London is the financial capital of the world, and props up a large proportion of the country with the huge sums of money it generates for the UK. Banking and the financial services in general would be killed stone dead with policies like this.

You don’t appear to be aware of the consequences of leaving the EU with no deal.

BigChocFrenzy

I put 'forriners' in inverted commas etc and used the incorrect spelling deliberately - I agree with you entirely - I was merely trying to demonstrate a way that JC might appease certain people.

Apologies if there was any confusion

Choosing Corbyn just because it’s an alternative to the Tories won’t work, it will just divide the vote.

In my constituency Lib Dem’s received less than 2% in last election.

It is a strong leave area.

Labour are the most likely to be in a position to replace my current ERG MP.

On this occasion I am happy to be strategic.

Corbyn and labour will not support anyone but Corbyn leading a rebel alliance, so that idea is dead in the water

I think you'd be surprised at what people will do when faced with real danger from a No Deal Brexit.

A Labour policy to tax bonuses of rich bankers vs a Tory policy to protect them 🤔

Ask most people if they want to protect the rich bankers whose mess everyone else had to pay for

That kind of choice is what could let Corbyn in:
take it away from Brexit and onto taxing rich bankers

Corbyn is a phenomenally hard working MP who passionately fights to protect the poor and vulnerable, seeks to protect the NHS, wants to nationalise natural monopolies and take back publicly financed utilities that were sold off to investors at a pittance, aims to stem the flow of capital from the poor to the rich, and campaigns tirelessly to seek diplomacy over war.

lonely The pound has gone down, but no one cares, most investments are made on a global scale and are more likely to be affected by the trade war between china and the US than brexit.

merry Many of us in the city are very excited about leaving the EU. All the ground work is done, and the liberation from EU financial regulations will be no bad thing for the UK. I wouldn't expect you to understand that, given your narrative that 'brexit is bad whatever' without really considering the true opportunities. Your mind is firmly closed it seems never to be prised open.

Green the trouble most people will have now is that Corbyn has been villified and mocked for so long, but all of the negative effects on society, the economy, agriculture, business, manufacturing, world standing and geo-politics has been due to the TORIES.

No amount of telling us we haven't seen "fearmongering" spin will overwrite that for remainers who have paid attention for the last 3 years. It's been used against us far far too often.

You can't scare us with Corbyn after all of that

lonelyandtired genuinely I hope your friend does vote again but i can understand why she wouldnt want to.

I wonder whether people who voted remain as newbies to politics have stayed somewhat engaged and people who voted leave as new to politics are more inclined to drift off thinking WTF that's not what i meant.

I'd love to see in the Tory manifesto, out in the open:

"we must protect the bonuses of rich bankers" !

"The pound has gone down, but no one cares,"

Well, hedge-funders like Odey - who make hundreds of millions out the pound sinking - care very much

They are laughing all the way to the bank !

Never mind Labour - I wait with bated breath for a Conservative manifesto that clearly spells out its Brexit plans, other than unicorns, rainbows, pie in the sky and increasing police numbers to cope with the unrest caused by said nonsense.

Hazard yes it is sad because she really thought she was doing something for the common good. Mind you even my most ardent No Dealer shuts up sharpish if you mention he is now a Tory .

cho You are forgetting the minor detail that Corbyn supports no deal, and always has. He wants the UK out of the EU, but he doesn't want to be the baddie to do it, and risk his tetchy, fearful remainers. Although he will not be advertising his anti EU stance anytime soon....the honest man that he is:

I believe he called the EU a “great Frankenstein machine” that is damaging to all who live in it.

But don't let the facts stand in your way.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-view-european-union/

"we must protect the bonuses of rich bankers

Along with we are going to reduce the taxes of the richest 10% of people....

I can see the attack ads now...picture of empty high streets, food banks, high house prices, homeless people followed with Johnson and Mogg talking about bankers bonuses, low taxes for rich people.