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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:39

lonelytiredandlow He doesn't need a VoNC

Just for 2/3 of MPs to approve the motion calling for a GE
or a simple majority to repeal the FTPA, to give him the power to call a GE whenever he wants

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 22:39

Oh! Maybe they are all out, wow!

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 22:39

Ken Clarke and Nic Soames on newsnight now.

Jason118 · 03/09/2019 22:39

Could everyone please try to post in the right order. I'm getting dizzy with ins and outs with whipsConfusedConfusedSmileSmile

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:40

Loathsome as confused as BJ

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 22:40

sansa ohhh so the threat was a lie.... typical.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:40

Been confirmed they are all out no exceptions...

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Yamayo · 03/09/2019 22:40

What are they saying (Clarke and Soames)?

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 22:41

or a simple majority to repeal the FTPA, to give him the power to call a GE whenever he wants

That seems contradictory - a bit of a loophole to get past the FTPA.

I wonder if that was mentioned when the FTPA was debated?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:41

.... until a few mintes later and maybe they are back in ! Grin

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:42

@Hazardtired well apparently not now- sounds like Leadsom was a bit confused.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 22:42

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lljkk · 03/09/2019 22:42

How quickly could the FTPA be repealed, can that happen if MPs seize control of the house business?

I did not know Nick Soames was WC's grandson (!)

NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 22:42

Annihilated it, Mother.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:43

chomalunga No Parliament can bind its successors
So any bill can be repealed by a simple majority

"It's not a bug; it's a feature"

borntobequiet · 03/09/2019 22:43

No wine so had to resort to chocolate biscuits tonight, will get some red in tomorrow.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 22:43

Corbyn also said he'd support a second people's vote.

Who's confirming Red?

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:43

Ken Clarke has confirmed he will vote against the government tomorrow.

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 22:44

Was leadsom confused because she's a mother? Grin

Sorry....couldn't help myself.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 22:44

If MPs aren't going to vote for a GE, I can't see them voting to repeal the FTPA. And BoJo doesn't have the majority to push it through.

pigeononthegate · 03/09/2019 22:44

If he really is kicking people of this stature out of the party the gloves are going to be off...Ken Clarke is already being hilariously outspoken on Newsnight and it's not even confirmed yet Grin

CGTER567 · 03/09/2019 22:44

Boris doesn't need to worry though. He has a brilliant deal almost made! All he has to do is present it to parliament.... in his dreams.

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 22:46

I wonder if the Daily Mail and Daily Express are doing their front pages now - with horrible headlines about them?

prettybird · 03/09/2019 22:46

Dominic Cummings (CumBlowJob? Wink) is not such a good strategist. Confused

He is so arrogant that he literally can't comprehend how people with principles will act. Grin

DeRigueurMortis · 03/09/2019 22:46

Soames and Clarke on fire on Newsnight.

Absolutely, trashing Boris.

Clarke has said he will have have to even consider voting conservative at the next election if BJ is leader "it's the Brexit party rebadged".

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