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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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Jason118 · 03/09/2019 23:12

But a hung parliament will require a compromise position on Brexit, red line changes etc which the EU will accept and it will go some way to reunite the country and protect the GFA and the union. Maybe.

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 23:12

If we have the conferences, they are going to be very interesting this September.

TheCaddyisaBaddie · 03/09/2019 23:12

I think we have just seen the Conserative Party start to take its last breaths. Removing the whip from 21 MPs includingan ex challencer and churchill's grandson is not going to go unpunished by other Tory MPs but Cum/BJ wont care, why would they?

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/09/2019 23:12

Rory Stewart not standing at next election...

Oh heck - when I filled out his questionnaire a couple of days ago I answered the question about what was needed to fix the country by saying we needed to annihilate the tories as a political force for good as their policies even prior to brexit had been so harmful and dangerous. I said we needed to get them all out of power and actually wrote 'even you Rory'.
Maybe he took it to heart Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 23:12

belinda Brexiters in the HoL are trying to hold up the bill passing tomorrow, by filibustering:
they have tabled about 90 amendments for debate and votes

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 23:13

If Johnson needs the support of the Lords to rescue him, that rather ruins his 'Parliament vs People' narrative. It's toffs vs MPs.

woman19 · 03/09/2019 23:13

Very worrying so many principled Tories are not going to stand again

Being threatened with murder by fascists does tend to focus the mind.

As Grieve was explaining. While Mogg was encouraging the murderers.

It's an old story.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 03/09/2019 23:13

Sad if Rory Stewart is leaving politics?

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 23:14

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DoctorTwo · 03/09/2019 23:15

Gordon Marsden didn't hold back there.
Describing Blowjob as a petulant manchild who can't get his way

Surely it's a coincidence @OhLookHeKickedTheBall that I described the prime minister as a 'petulant fucking manchild' to a well dressed chap whilst we both perused the front pages today... His antique briefcase was lovely though.

Jason118 · 03/09/2019 23:15

It depends on how well it's hung?

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 23:16

"Apparently their parliamentary passes have already been disabled"

I don't understand that Confused

MPs can resign the whip any time, or be sacked - like O'Mara and Elphick, who are still able to vote
They still go into the HoC as normal
It has always been the right of any MPs to do so

red ??

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 23:16

Imagine the BJ / Cumming / Mogg debrief after tonight

Bet their assured ness is starting to slip

Apileofballyhoo · 03/09/2019 23:21

Just caught up on the thread - it was very hard to keep up today with work and family and parliament and here! DH wondering if there'll be any room left on the opposition benches. Wow. All this because of a fight in a bar?

It made for excellent television. If only it wasn't real life.

Random18 · 03/09/2019 23:21

BCF instead that as govt playing silly bloggers.

Probably some system peculiarity.

The Govt says they are no longer Tories and possibly if you don't say they are still a MP for example it automatically gets cancelled.

They will be reactivated but it's just a pain for them .

tobee · 03/09/2019 23:22

I was just discussing with dh about what pass disabling meant BCF. I know that their lanyards are party colour coded but surely it's a bit more than changing the colours? Maybe not. Grin

Random18 · 03/09/2019 23:22

*I read not instead

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:22

BCF it's the government making a nasty point.

They can't without a pass can they?

It's an abuse of power.

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tobee · 03/09/2019 23:23

You can't say that Johnson and Cummings actions haven't been asking for exactly this can you?

ContinuityError · 03/09/2019 23:24

Daily Express tomorrow.

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TheNumberfaker · 03/09/2019 23:24

Rory Stewart was joking at an awards do apparently.

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 23:24

A hung Parliament would be a continuation of the same chaos,

but without the prospect of another GE in the near future
(because the public would punish any party that forced them to vote again too soon after a GE)

Most MPs would still be determined to force the govt to avoid No Deal

Maybe MPs would compromise
BUT
we'd be losing all / almost all the Tory rebels - who are the most likely Tories to compromise
The Tory party without them could be even more batshit and obstinate than at present.

I doubt a hung Parliament could agree on the basis to start negotiating a new deal - it would take years to agree !
Same problem as with a GNU now, really

That*s what gives the WA it's best chance - now or with a hung Parliament - it's already available !

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:25

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3683129-Westminstenders-Drain-The-Swamp?watched=1
New thread as I'm off to bed.

Sorry but I'm not cheery.

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