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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 22:57

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DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 22:58

Nope, wrong way round! Smile

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:59

That's pretty clear from Jeremy Corbyn- if he sticks to that it would be good.

How would Tory rebels vote on repealing the fixed term parliament act?

Hoooo · 03/09/2019 23:00

Blimey!

cherin delighted for you 💐

Not sure what to think. Very glad I missed JRMs speech. Not sure my blood pressure could have stood that.

So...3pm tomorrow?

Blimey.

tobee · 03/09/2019 23:00

Thanks for all** the info everyone! Smile

tobee · 03/09/2019 23:00

Don't know where those asterisks came from Confused

woman19 · 03/09/2019 23:01

@IanDunt
Right that's that. Good result - really good. And not just for what it means for Brexit. But for what it shows: Britain's constitutional arrangements holding firm against a sustained threat. Parliament standing up for itself. It's not that late, have a glass.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 23:02

howabout The ECJ said only that Revoke was a unilateral right for the UK under A50 of the Lisbon Treaty

Under A50, a country can leave anytime within 2 years
BUT
extensions to A50 are a special case, each handled as a separate case

If the UK signs an international agreement to stay for X months, that would be binding, unless it has an exit clause, auch as approving the WA.

LyraParry · 03/09/2019 23:02

Not helpful bcf! It was a lively thing - when it saw me it ran under my bedside table. I'm really glad I found where it went cos I don't think I could have slept without dealing with it.

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/09/2019 23:02

You need to put a trigger warning on that picture BCF!

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 23:02

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:03

Rory Stewart not standing at next election...

... He's ending his political career.

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tobee · 03/09/2019 23:04

I love Joanna Cheery's scarf !

woman19 · 03/09/2019 23:04

Corbyn:

I welcome tonight’s vote. We live in a parliamentary democracy, we do not have a presidency but a prime minister

Prime ministers govern with the consent of the House of Commons, representing the people in whom the sovereignty rests

There is no consent in this house to leave the European Union without a deal. There is no majority for no deal in the country

As I have said before: if the prime minister has confidence in his Brexit policy - when he has one he can put forward - he should put it before the people in a public vote

And so, he wants to table a motion for a general election, fine get the bill through first in order to take no-deal off the table

That will do for the moment. Smile

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 23:05

I'm completely for not repealing FTPA and letting the Tories, especially Blowjob, having to own this crap. Especially as a proper minority government caused by their own hands.

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 23:06

They probably trusted May more than Boris

No trust he’s going to flounder even more

Random18 · 03/09/2019 23:06

Too many principles MPs not standing again.

What will they be replaced with?

Brexit Party Candidates?

It's good that they are taking a stand against BJ but what does the future hold for all of us.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 23:06

The reason why the EU drafts these extensions to be for fixed time periods, is of course to plan

If the Uk could leave at any moment, it could and would be disruptive to planning

Equally, if the extensions were not fixed, then just as the Uk could leave any time, the EU could kick it out any time
which would be horrendous pressure for the UK

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 23:07

Corbyn spoke well reading that again

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 23:09

What is this I am hearing about the House of Lords trying to sit straight through this week?

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 23:09

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woman19 · 03/09/2019 23:10

Too many principles MPs not standing again
That does tend to happen when lazy folks ignore death threats agains MPs.
Democracy appears to be a privilege of which we are not worthy.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 23:10

Wow, Hammond & others were grooming Rory to be the next leader, or next but one

However, he has had a very adventurous life, so will probably do return to that sort of thing

  • maybe now Brad Pitt will take up that film option on his life, which he shelved when Rory went into politics Grin
Hoooo · 03/09/2019 23:10

Very worrying so many principled Tories are not going to stand again.

I can understand why but...

I'm hoping against hope that over the summer remain battle plans have been drawn up and that there are strong lib dem/green showings in those constituencies...

prettybird · 03/09/2019 23:12

Wikipedia is quick Grin

Hasn't updated the photo description yet, nor the main body describing his history.

Apparently their parliamentary passes have already been disabled (according to Sam Gimyah). That will no doubt get sorted, but deliberating creating the inconvenience is just plain petty.

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