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Westminstenders: Game On?

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RedToothBrush · 29/08/2019 21:35

Johnson has had prorogation approved by the Queen.

There has been widespread outrage and horror both in the UK and in Europe. Johnson has ripped up the principle of Liberal democracy even if constitutionally what he has done is legal. In shredding convention and the 'gentlemans agreement' of understanding we teeter on the edge of democratic collapse.

Talk is tha Dominic Cummings is persuing a game theory principle of deliberately putting us on collision course with the EU. The idea being that they will blink first because the alternative of what will happen is just too awful for them to allow. The idea is to force others to make the moves whilst Johnson appears principled and strong, even without a proper strategy and plan for a deal.

And there is the rub. Despite all the Talk of no deal, at some point a deal MUST be made, regardless of whether its before or after 31st October. There is no sense of what that could be and how it could be done. And then there's the prospect of a US deal which suffers from the same lack of tangibility.

All there is, is how things look for a General Election. Nothing else.

Johnson is pitching for an election with no sense of what's needed for Brexit - including the legislation needed for no deal. Not to forget that Cummings, strategist that he is, apparently isn't here for the long haul, only being contracted until 31st October, when he goes for surgery he postponed to take on this job.

So what's the plan for Johnson Post Cummings? Or is he going to do even more 'winging it'.

Meanwhile there's an awful lot of moderate Tory MPs getting very nervous and already failing to stick to the Cummings script.

Johnson, until there is an election is going to firmly blow hot and cool, trying to play to the hopes and fears of leavers and remainers to keep them hanging on to hope and the notion that x or y will happen, when x and y can't possibly both happen because they are completely opposing strategies. Hope leads us blindly to stumble like fools into his trap and to win his reelection.

Next week looks very bumpy indeed. Chances are this thread won't make it past Saturday...

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RedToothBrush · 29/08/2019 22:05

Tweet from yesterday with a response (slightly edited here purely to just include relevant bits)

Ian Birrel @ianbirrel
What ministers said about prorogation before they put their own careers before the interests of the country

12) @GeorgeFreemanMP, transport minister: 'The idea that a new PM will want, let alone be allowed by backbench MPs or Peers, to prorogue Parliament is bonkers. It would look appalling.'

George Freeman MP @ georgefreemanmp
The question was asked - and my answer given - in the context of whether I would support “shutting down Parliament to get NoDeal through”. That is NOT what is happening.

There seems to be some desparation here to make this point after someone got a slap down earlier today.

Mikey Smith @mikeysmith
NEW: Number 10 slapdown for Defence Secretary Ben Wallace after he’s caught on camera blurting out the reasons behind Parliament shutdown

Number 10 source said Ben Wallace “misspoke” and was "not involved in discussions about the Queen’s speech.”

Ouch.

Eurosluggard @eurosluggard
How convenient that this “perfectly constitutional” behaviour should align so exactly with what Tory MPs and pro-Tory mouthpieces in the media have been convinced by Johnson and Cummings is in the best electoral interest of the Tory party.

In reference to this tweet

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GeistohneGrenzen · 29/08/2019 22:07

PMK

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 22:07

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ElenadeClermont · 29/08/2019 22:08

Cummings needs a surgery which was delayed. He promised his wife it would happen in November, apparently.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2019 22:09

Thanks, red 💐

"The idea being that they [EU] will blink first because the alternative of what will happen is just too awful for them to allow."

All those great Etonian brains and all they can come up with is the Blazing Saddles Gambit ? Hmm 🤦🏻‍♀️

Hoooo · 29/08/2019 22:09

continuity

If I start I won't fucking stop....

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RedToothBrush · 29/08/2019 22:09

DGR is going to feel left out I presume wink - with all these middle aged women's fantasies

DH thinks he's dead like Dominic Cummings.

Which I find slightly alarming on many levels.

What the hell this says about me I dread to think.

He does not, thank god, look like Cummings.

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IDontBelieveYou · 29/08/2019 22:10

PMK

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ContinuityError · 29/08/2019 22:11

David Allen Green @davidallengreen

It is all beginning to fall apart for Johnson and Cummings

You would need a heart of stone to not laugh like a drain

Let’s hope ...

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2019 22:12

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

RedToothBrush · 29/08/2019 22:12

Heads up

Marcus Strom @strom_m
I’m registered overseas voter in the UK. Just received email from my constituency returning officer saying theyre preparing contingencies for election at short notice. They recommend I appoint proxy as can’t guarantee my postal vote would arrive in time ping @MarkDiStef #brexit

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2019 22:12

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Butterymuffin · 29/08/2019 22:13

Thanks Red - I also read that piece on Cummings and game theory. very interesting. Here's the link for anyone else:
unherd.com/2019/08/dominic-cummings-is-no-chicken/

prettybird · 29/08/2019 22:13

This thread (and the end of the last one) has degenerated somewhat GrinBlush

I think it's hysteria at the insanity of what's going on in our politics and the impact it could/will have on our lives Sad

Demonstrates the importance of the calming cat pictures Grin

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DarkAtEndOfUK · 29/08/2019 22:14

PMK

TokyoSushi · 29/08/2019 22:14

Exclusive with @hzeffman

Michael Gove to launch £100m no deal advertising blitz next week with slogan 'Get Ready'

No 10 toyed with calling it 'take back control' but decided it was too partisan

Comes in the very week MPs are mounting a last ditch bid to stop no deal

prettybird · 29/08/2019 22:15

Red - if your dh looks like Benedict Cumberbatch playing Dominic Cummimgs, then lucky you Smile

If he looks like Dominic Cummings playing Dominic Cummings, then I hope he has a lot else going for him Wink

SistemaAddict · 29/08/2019 22:16

PMK and hoping for no sex talk Grinalthough a bit of light erm, relief is rather welcomeGrin

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 29/08/2019 22:17

Sitting down sensibly. No more derails.

It's quite astounding to read the before and now quotes. How insincere can you get? Very disappointed in Amber Rudd particularly. Thought she was a bit hard done by in the WR scandal and felt she had bit more integrity. Waiting to see what she does.

ListeningQuietly · 29/08/2019 22:18

My aubergines are setting ..... autumn veg beckons

prettybird · 29/08/2019 22:19

Amber Rudd and Nicky Morgan are both big disappointments. Sad

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