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Brexit

Westminstenders: Prorogation

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RedToothBrush · 28/08/2019 11:10

Its come to this.

Boris Johnson is to ask the Queen for permission to suspend parliament.

There are several legal challenges in the system to prevent this from happening.

It is unlikely to be able to stopped and the Queen is unlikely to intervene either. To do so would expose the Monarchy directly to a political threat which could lead to the downfall of the Crown if the cards lined up. Johnson has deliberate set up the situations where if she does, he is on the 'side of the people' whilst she is on the 'side of the establishment'. If she does nothing, she might be exposed still but none action, can be spun as political neutrality.

As David Allen Green points out:
^David Allen Green @davidallengreen
This is now the realm of pure politics

No court is likely to intervene - and it is not obvious what remedy a court could even grant so as to satisfactorily resolve the matter

"Not justiciable" as judges sometimes say

As we have seen so far, the opposition have been completely outclassed when it comes to 'pure politics' partly because of tribalism, partly because they lacked the capacity to understand and imagine how bad this could get - they never thought Johnson would go this far (massive tactical mistake) and partly because they so far do not understand whats driving this and have not produced and alternative narrative and explaination to counter those social and political fractures. Indeed everything they are doing is only serving to reinforce and widen those rifts and their complete lack of self awareness has been to blame. Johnson not only sees these fractures, he understands them, knows how to exploit them and most importantly is willing to do anything to retain power.

Authoritarians are always driven by this lust for power and are won't stop for anything. Thats why they are so dangerous and why checks and balances were put into the system. The trouble is the opposition didn't read the signs and are flapping in the wind now its reached the point where they suddenly realise its too far gone to be able to do much. The runaway train is firmly off the rails.

This all comes a day after the opposition apparently have agree a strategy to oppose No Deal. Which seems to include a VoNC. Remember this will always require Tory Rebels as even working together the Opposition haven't got the numbers - especially considering there are a few Labour Brexiteers.

This is being framed as a coalition of anti-democrats (which is something of a contradiction on several levels) by the government and the Brexit Party.

They have signed a pledge to set up an alternative parliament if government does prorogue parliament. This is full on civil war era stuff aka as a full blown constitutional crisis. Its actively into dangerous terrority. And as such, we very much into talking about the very real possibility of civil unrest. This is no longer something that can be considered hyperbole.

The timetable of this would see parliament prorogued just a few days into September (next week), closed to prepare for a new Queen's Speech and returning around the 17th October remembering the crucial final EU sumit on the 17th October. A VoNC doesn't necessarily mean the government will go though. There is no legal requirement to force the government to stand down. We may yet end up with a situation of two governments claiming legitmacy at the same time in late October. Prime Ministers Corbyn and Johnson.

A GE might eventually be the result of such a constitutional crisis but we would be way past 31st October before that happens.

Would we end up with an extension in such circumstances? Well the Prime Minister has to ask for one formally from the EU and the EU have to agree to one.

The problem being, who do the EU recognise as our PM?

We also have things coming into legal effect on the 1st November which would otherwise need revoking by parliament.

Which Parliament?

Things are going to get very very messy indeed.

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flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:35

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Grinchly · 29/08/2019 21:36

Oh yes Bercow.
And I have spoken of Keir too on these threads...

RedToothBrush · 29/08/2019 21:36

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ListeningQuietly · 29/08/2019 21:38

I should feel angry
but I just feel sad

PestyMachtubernahme · 29/08/2019 21:38

IS THIS COUNTRY RUN BY DOMINANT CUMMINGS

YES and a jolly good thing too, he will make it much more efficient.
As BloJob says (between rendezvous with black whores and watermelons) we need to turn this place into a high wage country, so...

step one - get rid of the low wage plebs.

Hmm

It is a hopeless misjudgement to think that one could force a dictatorial regime upon the British nation. [...] The diversity of the British people calls for democracy.

Whose assassination do we think will tip us into a civil war?

When I last name changed, I hoped I was being a sarcastic pessimist , now it appears I was merely accepting the inevitable reality.

CrunchyCarrot · 29/08/2019 21:39

whispers I'm a bit sweet on Bercow too! exits Stage left

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:40

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CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 29/08/2019 21:42

Yes. Am I doing the Blojob first?Grin

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:42

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pumkinspicetime · 29/08/2019 21:42

Alistair Campbell is my absolute favorite if that makes it any better?
I'm not totally sure it does.
Off to name change again.

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:43

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ContinuityError · 29/08/2019 21:44

Am I doing the Blojob first?

Envy
flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:44

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QueenOfThorns · 29/08/2019 21:46

Well there’s nothing wrong with having the hots for Mr Speaker. I mean, who doesn’t? Blush

How do those who believe that JRM ejaculates dust account for his children? I believe he has many!

See you on the next thread...

Hazardtired · 29/08/2019 21:46

Ewwwww!

TokyoSushi · 29/08/2019 21:52

I'd missed that @flouncyfanny excellent work Elements!

SwedishEdith · 29/08/2019 21:53

I've seen Alistair Campbell in real life. He was flouncing around Parliament. Quite flamboyant.

pumkinspicetime · 29/08/2019 21:58

My dreams are crushed swedishedith

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 22:01

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SistemaAddict · 29/08/2019 22:15

Christ, I leave the thread for a few hours and it's all about sex with politicians!! Envy except Bercow. I'd like to peruse his tie collection.

PerkingFaintly · 29/08/2019 22:19

You realise your Envy is ambiguous, Bercows? Leaves the reader wondering...

pumkinspicetime · 29/08/2019 22:22

flouncy just not sure it works for me i😉
I do plenty of that for myself to be honest.

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 22:24

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SwedishEdith · 29/08/2019 22:39

It was definitely charismatic, confident flamboyant flouncing.

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