Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westminstenders: Prorogation

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 28/08/2019 11:10

Its come to this.

Boris Johnson is to ask the Queen for permission to suspend parliament.

There are several legal challenges in the system to prevent this from happening.

It is unlikely to be able to stopped and the Queen is unlikely to intervene either. To do so would expose the Monarchy directly to a political threat which could lead to the downfall of the Crown if the cards lined up. Johnson has deliberate set up the situations where if she does, he is on the 'side of the people' whilst she is on the 'side of the establishment'. If she does nothing, she might be exposed still but none action, can be spun as political neutrality.

As David Allen Green points out:
^David Allen Green @davidallengreen
This is now the realm of pure politics

No court is likely to intervene - and it is not obvious what remedy a court could even grant so as to satisfactorily resolve the matter

"Not justiciable" as judges sometimes say

As we have seen so far, the opposition have been completely outclassed when it comes to 'pure politics' partly because of tribalism, partly because they lacked the capacity to understand and imagine how bad this could get - they never thought Johnson would go this far (massive tactical mistake) and partly because they so far do not understand whats driving this and have not produced and alternative narrative and explaination to counter those social and political fractures. Indeed everything they are doing is only serving to reinforce and widen those rifts and their complete lack of self awareness has been to blame. Johnson not only sees these fractures, he understands them, knows how to exploit them and most importantly is willing to do anything to retain power.

Authoritarians are always driven by this lust for power and are won't stop for anything. Thats why they are so dangerous and why checks and balances were put into the system. The trouble is the opposition didn't read the signs and are flapping in the wind now its reached the point where they suddenly realise its too far gone to be able to do much. The runaway train is firmly off the rails.

This all comes a day after the opposition apparently have agree a strategy to oppose No Deal. Which seems to include a VoNC. Remember this will always require Tory Rebels as even working together the Opposition haven't got the numbers - especially considering there are a few Labour Brexiteers.

This is being framed as a coalition of anti-democrats (which is something of a contradiction on several levels) by the government and the Brexit Party.

They have signed a pledge to set up an alternative parliament if government does prorogue parliament. This is full on civil war era stuff aka as a full blown constitutional crisis. Its actively into dangerous terrority. And as such, we very much into talking about the very real possibility of civil unrest. This is no longer something that can be considered hyperbole.

The timetable of this would see parliament prorogued just a few days into September (next week), closed to prepare for a new Queen's Speech and returning around the 17th October remembering the crucial final EU sumit on the 17th October. A VoNC doesn't necessarily mean the government will go though. There is no legal requirement to force the government to stand down. We may yet end up with a situation of two governments claiming legitmacy at the same time in late October. Prime Ministers Corbyn and Johnson.

A GE might eventually be the result of such a constitutional crisis but we would be way past 31st October before that happens.

Would we end up with an extension in such circumstances? Well the Prime Minister has to ask for one formally from the EU and the EU have to agree to one.

The problem being, who do the EU recognise as our PM?

We also have things coming into legal effect on the 1st November which would otherwise need revoking by parliament.

Which Parliament?

Things are going to get very very messy indeed.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
18
QueenOfThorns · 29/08/2019 21:08

Thanks @flouncyfanny. And I was just about getting over the ‘JRM is hot’ thread from a few months back Shock

I think you’d be wasting the other bottle on Catherine, she’s clearly beyond help!

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:08

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

QueenOfThorns · 29/08/2019 21:12

@mrslaughan, there was a thread a little while back asking people who had worked with Bozza what he’s really like. They pretty much unanimously said that he’s pretty useless, lazy and good at taking credit for what other people have done, but many also said that he’s very charismatic and does have sex appeal when you meet him in person.

IrenetheQuaint · 29/08/2019 21:14

"There used be loads of #Boris is hot remarks on MN. Has everyone got amnesia? Posters used to gush over him. He has a something. You know it's not good for you but it's there."

I really can't relate, but then I only ever fancy beta males Ed Miliband

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:14

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:16

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 29/08/2019 21:17

pumkinspicetime

I quite like BJ too in the beginning.
Hangs head in shame.
I have a thing for posh English men.
I think because I have internalized class shame and obviously issues with being Scottish.
Anyway my dh is only lower middle class background so I think I am working successfully on this issue.

Sounds like you're making fantastic progress @pumkinspicetime you should be proud of yourself!

Glad I'm not alone.Grin

prettybird · 29/08/2019 21:19

I will and have Wink admit to a crush on Grieve Blush but nope, I have never felt anything but Envy (not envy) or Angry about BloJob. His type of Bullingdon Bluster is a total turn-off Envy

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:22

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 29/08/2019 21:23

The blowjob name does elicit certain imagery....

What on earth do you see in Dominic Grieve?Grin

We won't go into Ed MilibandHmm

TokyoSushi · 29/08/2019 21:24

'JRM looks like he ejaculates dust' from a few months back is literally the funniest thing I've ever read on Mumsnet 😂😂😂

Hazardtired · 29/08/2019 21:25

catherine I'll pray for your soul Grin

If it's any help my dad is/was a psychopath and I am not in the least bit attracted to Johnson or Putin so there's hope for you!

But maybe not because I wasn't raised with him and I dont actually know him...I take it it's the knowing the difficult father that makes you think Johnson is attractive in which case....have you considered some sort of brain surgery?

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 29/08/2019 21:26

I'm derailing an important thread but will say Queen is right. He has something hot about him. His wife never stoid a chance, he's an arrogant prat who knows he can pull and has the charisma to do it.

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:27

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

borntobequiet · 29/08/2019 21:27

Happily I’ve always liked a bit of rough so all these public school twats have no appeal for me.
(Probably the most shocking admission I’ve made on MN apart from possessing a toilet brush and washing towels whenever I remember to do so.)

yolofish · 29/08/2019 21:28

Posh Totty is of course a thing, but BJ is pretty low on the physical appeal side I'd have said? I mean, I like a posh boy or a man in uniform or a decent suit along with the best of you (DH a builder, never dresses up) but brains and empathy and a decent sense of humour beat the Posh Totty every time.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/08/2019 21:28

Rob Powell
@robpowellnews
· 1h
Tory MP Ken Clarke tells Sky he "probably would" support @jeremycorbyn as a caretaker PM to stop no deal. But only if he could be kept "under control" and "wouldn't have the slightest chance of implementing any bits of his Labour manifesto"

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:29

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Hazardtired · 29/08/2019 21:31

It's coming to an end - new thread soon.

Johnson is ugly
He is a bad de-cis-ion
Yacky man yucky.

MotherOfSoupDragons · 29/08/2019 21:31

Dust Spaffer (name change fodder anyone?) Omg Grin. I knew there had to be some humour in here somewhere. Thanks.

flouncyfanny · 29/08/2019 21:33

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ContinuityError · 29/08/2019 21:33

The Doctor is in the house ...

Grinchly · 29/08/2019 21:34

pretty Excellent taste, but we have spoken about Dominic Wink
He is absolutely lovely.

prettybird · 29/08/2019 21:34

flouncyfanny - you and I must have similar taste in men Wink

.....but I agree with yolofish that brains and empathy and a decent sense of humour beat the Posh Totty every time. Grin although a nice bum helps Wink

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 29/08/2019 21:35

I quite like Mr Speaker, especially when he raises his voice blush and I wouldn't kick Kier Starmer out of bed either!!!shockgringrin

You see Flouncy you're not normal eitherGrin