Permission sought to suspend parliament!

[daphine2004]

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Hope she says no!

Nice descriptives merry but do you have any suggestions based on the situation right now? I gave a few, what are yours?

Unfortunately, I think people may need to see the reality of a No Deal Brexit to understand how little progress will have been made.

I'm not sure what you mean merry - about people needing to see a reality of No Deal Brexit - hasn't that been done over, and over again - it is today, the now, the present that's important, at least in my view. The today, as it stands leads irrefutably to No Deal, unless proroguing is refuted.

If you have a way to refute proroguing, I'm all ears.

I think people may need to see the reality of a No Deal Brexit
We were supposed to be 5 months into that brexit malarkey now.
Allegedly.

"Boris is a coward

This.

He’s running from accountability" exactly!

"I ashamed to have voted to leave, I did not vote for one man to screw the whole country over." I think that's very brave and honest of you.

I'm not sure what you mean merry

The point I am trying to make is that there is political support for 'No Deal' because people have been led to believe that 'No Deal' will mean that Brexit is done and dusted on November 1st.

In reality, it will just lead to a continued state of limbo, because with no agreements on the Northern Ireland border, no agreements on regulation of medicine, no agreements on all of the hundreds of regulations that are now governed by our relationship with the EU, there will just be continued uncertainty, but with more discomfort.

On 1st November Johnson will still be talking to Brussels, and Farage and idiots like Mark Francois will still be claiming that any agreement with the EU is capitulation.

However, until the majority of the population understand what 'No Deal' means, and for many it seems that this won't happen until they actually experience 'No Deal', it is difficult to see how the political picture can change, and fundamentally Brexit is a political problem.

You are talking about 'lancing the boil'.

I am perhaps agreeing that it is now inevitable that the spot has to squeezed - but as a demonstration of the futility of doing so, not as a solution. The only long term solution is the abandonment of macho posturing and self serving dishonesty for negotiation and compromise.

(And maybe we could change the constitution to permanently ban over confident old Etonions from becoming PM - the last three have brought us the Suez crisis, the referendum and apparently now 'No Deal Brexit')

If Boris simply wanted a normal prorogation and did not want to cut Parliament out of the Brexit (or not) process, the gap between the sessions would be a very few days, not most of the time left between now and the leave deadline.

Thanks for your explanation merry and I don't disagree with most of it except possibly on the 'macho posturing' as I'm not sure that TM fits into that explanation as, she did bring a Deal to the HoC, and after 3 years and 3 tries they couldn't agree to it.

And so we are now where we are....boil-lancing...

It is not normal to prorogue Parliament for 5 weeks just for a Queen’s Speech.

Precisely.

I wish people would stop saying the Queen "agrees" though. The Queen "agrees" with what her government decides. That's what she does. If Boris had gone to her with a proposal to revoke A50, the Queen would "agree" with that.

A General Election would be the best and easiest solution to solve the problem of Corbyn and McDonnell, and it would give the Conservative Associations the opportunity to "sort out" the troublesome "remoaners". The 17.4 million who Voted Leave EU are not going to be held to Ransom, by a bunch of Europhile MP's who now see their role in life to bat for the other-side, and attempt to thwart the UK's departure from the EU. Given the fact that Traitor May wasted 3 years 1 month with her collusion and conniving with the bloody EU, BJ's approach is a refreshing change.

"sort out" the troublesome "remoaners"

Sounds like a threat. What are you going to do with us?

48% of us never wanted this.

A proportion of the 52% didn't expect to leave with No Deal, and aren't happy, as were expecting an EEA deal and money to the NHS - not enforced Blitz spirit and chlorinated chicken from the US...

“Remoaners”, “traitors”, “collusion”.

So the far right play book is in full swing tonight.

What is it with LeaveBots and their Random Capitals?

Good on Johnson, let's remember the country voted leave so the remainer MPs should remember who pays their wages!

Great! So it’s only leavers who pay tax now? Where do I get my refund?

I’m Scottish, Scotland voted to remain yet we are being dragged out against our will. This will lead to independence and a break-up of the union.

Phimma given we know that not even all leavers wanted a no deal fiasco I'd say it's definitely more than likely that the majority of the electorate DON'T want what is happening! How is it then democratic to force on them a situation they don't want?

As for "rogue mps" mps are elected to represent their constituencies, how do you think their constituents would feel (and bear in mind also pissing off the majority of your constituents as an MP generally results in you losing the next election!) if that constituency voted remain and their MP ignores that?! How is THAT democratic?

Don't even get me started on the fact that it's basically impossible for us here in Scotland or those in Wales or Northern Ireland to get their voices heard when England outnumbers all 3 of us!

SweetKitty is right! In all likelihood this will lead to the breakup of the U.K. Here in Scotland as I'm sure sweetkitty & other scots will confirm there's been a huge surge in calls for us to unilaterally declare independence and not just from those who've always wanted independence, not by a very long way.

My NI friends and family are worried sick about a possible return to the violence of the past there and are starting to think independence might not be such a bad idea there either, or possibly even reunification with ROI, which ROI politicians have apparently called emergency meetings to discuss the ramifications of, they're apparently giving serious consideration to recalling the Dáil to deal with today's X events from their end.

Don't even get me started on the fact that it's basically impossible for us here in Scotland or those in Wales or Northern Ireland to get their voices heard when England outnumbers all 3 of us!

There is division everywhere and that is the worst thing. A fairly wide majority in London didn’t vote for this in any form either.

The union in its current form is so split in so many places. It’s awful.

If Scotland choose to be independent, that is up to them to decide and I would respect their decision.

One minor point that needs clarifying though, who would be their Bank of Last Resort?

I don’t think it would be the BOE! 😳

I think it would be more beneficial for the EU to prop Scotland up than not?

I believe that the current SNP proposals are to set up Scotland's own Central Bank initially - required anyway to show stability before being admitted to the Eurozone. Initially shadowing £ sterling.

Of course, in order to set up a Central Bank, it would need to withdraw its share of the assets from the BoE At the very least, the Scottish Banks would have to withdraw the £ for £ deposit that they have to lodge with the BoE in order to print their own bank notes

The appetite for independence has been growing in Scotland. This move by Johnson has fuelled that even more.

In fact Nicola pointed out on Sky News just after I posted the bit I was going to point out in my post but decided it was too much detail: that you can't be forced to join the Euro even if you commit to using it eventually , citing Sweden as an example. For some strange reason Sweden never quite meets the criteria for joining the €

If there is a good thing about what happened yesterday it will (hopefully) compel opposition parties to come up with a proper plan within the next few days. They basically have next week to sort it out.

I hope they don't try and do a no confidence vote unless there is a clear alternative government in mind as having a general election in November arguable does not help at all.

Just this

Prorogation of parliament usually happens annually or after every change of government (which has just happened). I feel like this act has been blown out of all proportion. It's literally what usually happens. Constitutionally.

Do I think it's too close to Brexit, yes. Do I think it's immoral, yes. Is it constitutional, yes. Is it legal, yes.

They're not trying to overturn the result. They're trying to stop a no deal catastrophe.

The amount of people who have a total lack of critical thinking skills is flabbergasting. Brainwashed by the right wing media into screeching 'Project Fear' at every possible juncture.