Permission sought to suspend parliament!

[daphine2004]

BBC breaking news:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Hope she says no!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3677475-Protests-against-the-Prorogation-of-Parliament

For a list of protests.

They did, and what they offered us didn't go through. So I hope a deal on the agreement can pass now

It was a mutually agreed deal but Theresa May was foolish enough to include red lines which pissed off a lot of MPs.

Also she failed to fully explain the backstop so ignorance carried the day.

Saying that we need to stand up to the EU is disingenuous

It matters not a jot what you all say on here. The fact remains, the country voted leave, deal or no deal.

No, it didn't, @Phimma. 37% of the electorate three years ago voted leave in a vote which is acknowledged to be fatally tainted by outright fraud on the part of the Leave campaign. The government itself acknowledged that, if this had been a binding vote rather than a purely advisory one, it would have had to be set aside.

That's why Article 50 needs to be revoked and a new referendum held with proper safeguards against fraud in place.

Nothing quite says SOVEREIGNTY like an leader elected by 0.2% of the population shutting down government to push through something only 34% of the country got tricked into wanting by a lie on a bus.

Surely Johnson's vote was around 0.0002% of the population?

Johnson has at least got the balls, no pun intended, to carry through the democratic wish of this country.

What democratic wish? Leave campaigner after leave campaigner promised that no deal simply would never happen.

And what balls? He's run away from justifying himself to Parliament.

So what happens after No Deal? We just never have a deal with the EU our closest trading partner ever? That seems... stupid.

Tonnerre the majority of people who were entitled to vote and bothered to vote, voted to leave.

Genderfree, that was on the basis of acknowledged fraud on the part of the Leave campaign which the government acknowledge would have led to a binding vote being nullified. It only escaped being nullified because it was an advisory one.

I simply can’t understand how people can STILL be saying things like ‘but we voted to leave and we have to respect that vote.’ It’s utterly ridiculous. We know that the Leave campaign was fraudulent. We know that there was foreign interference. We know that no deal was NEVER on the cards.

Things have changed and it would be an absolute travesty if no deal was forced through by an unelected far right band of charlatans.

I ashamed to have voted to leave, I did not vote for one man to screw the whole country over. I really hope that the other members of parliament manage to stop Boris & his little friends from dragging us out with no deal, I'm also disgusted with the Queen for allowing this to happen, the least she could have done was turn him back round to try & find an alternative way of sorting this out.

Tonnerre you don’t know why all voters voted leave. I didn’t vote leave because of the campaign but because of years of watching the EU.

I am afraid of years of watching BJ and his lot demolish the country personally

What did you vote for, Nat?

I'm not just afraid of Brexit but the likely authoritarian streak now that the power hungry are in charge.

Nat the Queen is only a figurehead, doubt she really had any power over this.

I agree with PPs who have said that it all needs bringing to a head - like a virulent spot or boil that needs lancing. The 3+ years of uncertainty are far more damaging than knowing a direction at least.

Suspending Parliament isn't 'undemocratic' as it is a procedure within our system, it even has a name - proguing; it might be rarely used but it is part of our democratic political system.

I'm sure there will be challenges to this, and I do await them with a genuine interest - my only wish would be that these challenges actually do something concrete rather than prolong the 'uncertainty'.

Amongst my suggestions for 'challenges' to proroguing:

So far, no one has identified the 'constitutional role' of the CofE yet - the intertwining of Parliament, Crown and Church is all part of the UK's unwritten Constitution - maybe there's a challenge or 2 there.

The Scottish Parliament - a challenge or 2 there as well - hardly right they can be suspended too?

Setting up a separate Parliament - might I suggest Rory et al decamp to Stormont - empty buildings needing Occupation.

The EU grant an A50 extension without HoC requesting it - maybe the request can come from ScotParl or the separatist Parl in Stormont.

HTH

proroguing obvs!

It matters not a jot what you all say on here. The fact remains, the country voted leave, deal or no deal.

'No deal' means not really leaving. It means storming off in a huff, and then having to come back with your tail between your legs because none of the problems have been solved. The Northern Ireland border still has to be dealt with, food and medicine and fish still require legislation, all the 1000s of negotiations with Europe that are carried on every day still need to carry on.

If the country believes that 'No Deal' means 'getting on with leaving' the country has swallowed a lie.

I agree with PPs who have said that it all needs bringing to a head - like a virulent spot or boil that needs lancing.

More like picking at a spot and then getting a horrible infection.

More like picking at a spot and then getting a horrible infection - like what has been festering for the past 3 years?

Nice descriptives merry but do you have any suggestions based on the situation right now? I gave a few, what are yours?

My history teacher told is that violence does solve problems, at the very least it releases tension and allows sides to come together to talk.

@Coppersulphate
Interested to know if you support all of Johnson’s policies. You sound like you’re his biggest fan. Are you ok with the NHS being on the table in a deal with Trump? And with food standards?

It is quite normal to prorogue a parliament at the end of one parliamentary session and before the start of the next. All governments do this on a regular basis. Given the change of PM and most of the cabinet, it would not be unusual to draw a line under what May had promised to do and to start a new session with a new Queen’s Speech.

It is unusual to change PMs without a general election, and it is very, very unusual for a government to have a functioning majority of 1. Boris is proroguing parliament because he lacks parliamentary support. It has nothing to do with a change in government.

Come what may, at the forthcoming GE people can vote accordingly.

If JC gets in, he will have to deliver what he has promised.

If we have left, we can apply to join the EU and get back all that we wanted I.e. FOM, Customs Union etc.

If Boris gets in, then he will get a mandate to carry on what he is doing now

If we get a hung Parliament again, more of the same and nothing gets done.

To me, BREXIT has put this country on hold for 3 plus years, a case of make a decision and go with it.

Boris has done just that.

The EU will not miss us and be glad to see us gone. They may miss our financial contributions though

It is quite normal to prorogue a parliament at the end of one parliamentary session and before the start of the next.

It is not normal to prorogue Parliament for 5 weeks just for a Queen’s Speech.