Any more Leave supporters on MN?

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I've not been on here for a while.

I'm seeing only anti Brexit threads on here.

Any Leave voters out there?

What do we have to look forward to when we Brexit?

it can't be tried by a Tory Government, because bang goes their majority.

I’ve been telling bellini this but it’s not sinking in.

Their majority of 1. Which is already in peril. Cross party support might get it through.

If the Tory majority is so strong why aren't they pushing through a No Deal amendment to seal the (No) Deal. Or some othe bullshit. Because they are scared. When Parliament reconvenes you will see how fragile the majority of 1is and how little legislation they will dare to put through.

No one is saying the Tory majority is strong, although with people like Kate Hoey on board it's working majority is greater than that.

Cross party support might get it through

Why can you not comprehend that it isn’t just about this vote.

Cross party support might get that vote through but the Tories would lose the C&S agreement with the DUP so would lose their majority, however slim it is.

Yes they will lose the C&S agreement. But if they deliver Brexit they will get enough Brexit Party people back voting Tory in the inevitable next election.

This shower of shits in the DUP are not the Unionists in the Conservative and Unionist Party. That's Trimble's lot who have been wiped out by the DUP.

bellini they won’t get that support though as the union will break up. They’d be wiped out in Scotland for starters.

The Scotland issue is a separate issue. I don't know if you are English or not but I don't understand that obsession with the idea that Scotland and NI are the same. Scotland has its own arguments and has to convince its own people.

Of course it’s not a separate issue. Can you really not join the dots here?

If the Tories supported NI effectively staying in the EU they would lose their seats in Scotland because Scotland didn’t want to leave anyway.

No their primary duty is to serve the country in the way that they think will benefit it

The decision whether or not to invoke Article 50 was put to all MPs in Parliament. 498 voted to invoke Article 50 which included labour MPs.

If MPs thought Brext was bad they could have voted against Article 50. They did not.

Scotland has its own arguments and has to convince its own people.

So Scotland has to convince it’s people but NI has to stay in EU because it suits the rest of the UK?

If there isn't a majority in NI for (re) unification then it stays in the UK. If there isn't a majority for independence in Scotland after Indyref 2, it stays in the UK.

No they cannot, once we leave, we cannot rejoin, its not like forgetting to pay your subs for the local gym

Article 49 allows a member to rejoin.

Why do you think I am chucking either nation out of the UK?

It doesn't alter the Parliamentary arithmetic though - neither party had a Manifesto which appealed to a majority

Immaterial as Article 50 was voted in by Parliament before the 2017 GE took place.

If there isn't a majority in NI for (re) unification then it stays in the UK.

Dear god - were going round in circles here - the whole point is it wouldn’t be in the UK properly though would it?

If there isn't a majority for independence in Scotland after Indyref 2, it stays in the UK

With the narrow margin it lost by last time, part of that based on staying in the EU, and the epic fuck up we’ve made of Brexit and the disregard of the devolved parliaments throughout that process I think it’s virtually guaranteed Scotland would leave.

It wouldn't be "properly " , but is it now, for most people? And if Stormont gets back up and running it will be as self governing as it was before.

You have to decide- chaos of No Deal or imperfect but orderly Brexit. Revoke isn't an option.

In the Green Corner we have Bellini and in the Red, White and Blue Corner we have Bear.

Seconds out round two. Ding ding....

To Bellini

Bear comment about Scotland is valid. They too voted to remain in the EU and by a bigger majority than NI. So UK agreeing for NI to effectively remain in the EU, but Scotland can not does seem unfair and goes against the logic that all member states should have equal freedom to choose if they want to be part of UK or not.

You have to decide- chaos of No Deal or imperfect but orderly Brexit. Revoke isn't an option.

I don’t have to decide anything - my option counts for nothing

I think we need no deal because too much damage has been done now and ‘imperfect’ Brexit isn’t going to shut the hardcore Leavers up - but my thought make sod all difference to what will happen

Double- So how would you deal with the border on the island of Ireland in terms of people moving across mainland Europe into RoI and then across the border to NI?

@MysteryTripAgain Scotland must make its own arguments. I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that independence would win in Indyref 2 but that , if they are "allowed" must be a matter for them. Unlike NI there is no history of terrorism and attempted destruction of civic society.

If you think we must No Deal, I can never agree with you. That is nihilism and I can never support it.
I too have a devil on my shoulder saying "have No Deal and hope it chokes them" but I will not give in to that.

Unlike NI there is no history of terrorism and attempted destruction of civic society

I am not from Scotland, but I think some Scottish people might disagree with that statement. Lots of wars between Scotland and England as far back as 1200's.