Any more Leave supporters on MN?

[SacrebleuLondres]

I've not been on here for a while.

I'm seeing only anti Brexit threads on here.

Any Leave voters out there?

What do we have to look forward to when we Brexit?

[SingingLily]

"The Prime Minister secured agreement with his European counterparts at the March European Council to welcome the intention of the Commission to enable increased flexibility for member states with respect to zero and reduced rates of VAT."

In other words, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom had to consult with the leaders of 27 other countries in order to "secure agreement" to change an iniquitous VAT rate in the UK which directly and unfairly affected the women of the UK. The UK could not make that change unilaterally.

Proves my point. Self determination. Can't wait.

By the way, OP, how did you vote? And why?

[BlueEyedBengal]

yes o p how did you vote?

[Socksontheradiator]

I can't wait. Short supplies of food in supermarkets, problems getting medications, disruption at the port, no more freedom of movement. Massive stress for British people in EU, EU people in Britain, and their families. No more vat on tampons will make all that so worthwhile.
Hurrah!!

[SacrebleuLondres]

You're looking forward to leaving because the U.K. gained agreement on a VAT change that it hasn't implemented?

What I'm unclear about is the notion that the EU is obstructing. We asked and received.



I voted to Remain without fully understanding why we should or what the EU was or did.

Now that I am more educated about trade, the EU and its six institutions, Single Market, Customs Union, regulations etc I can rely on facts to back up my choice.

As an international treaty organisation - which is the best way to view it - the EU is a brilliant construct. It is a stroke of genius.

[SingingLily]

5 yrs after UK finally Brexits, How would you feel if VAT didn't go down on tampons, gas or electricity, SingingL?

Wrong question!

The question is "how would you feel if, after leaving, the UK decided to continue outsourcing all of its decisions about VAT to the EU?"

I think you know the answer. Pretty flaming annoyed 😁

[Socksontheradiator]

I was taking the mickey, OP

[SingingLily]

I voted to Remain

And yet your thread title was "Any more Leave supporters on MN"???

Misleading much, I think.

[Socksontheradiator]

Not of you! Just the leaver's attitude. I am a staunch remainer. Like you I voted remain without fully understanding much, and the more I learn the more I'm glad I did!

[SacrebleuLondres]

@SingingLily

I think the reality is going to be worse than you suppose for the freedom to make our own laws.

In order to trade with the EU or the US - the two big regulatory bodies in the world - the U.K. will have to align its regulations to one or the other.

The EU could insist on minimum taxation levels to access its markets in preferential terms.

Will that be ok with you to be rule takers?

[Deathgrip]

So the problem isn’t that we can’t change something like VAT on sanitary towels, it’s that we had to discuss it first? With a Union that massively benefits us in myriad ways?

And you think this is worth risking access to medicines, food, risking the health service completely etc?

Brilliant.

[InfiniteSheldon]

The smell of desperation is strong here pretending to be a Leaver then hauling Bear's torture chair from the basement if the Brexit Arms with a flourish you utter numpty

[lljkk]

Ha! I am minded of the Andrew Neil quote to BJ, along lines of:

"I ask the questions and you answer them. You don't get to answer a question I didn't ask."

[SacrebleuLondres]

@SingingLily

I'm not sure what's misleading. I'm genuinely interested in understanding motivations for Leave and Leave threads seem rare.

Right now what I got was you're unhappy at VAT rates for tampons which the U.K. can reduce to 0 but hasn't.

You're also unhappy at VAT for energy being at 5%. The rest of the EU is at around 20% - just checked. Presumably 5% is too high but it would be interesting to know how HMT would replace the revenue.

The Yellowhammer CONOP doesn't seem to worry you in spite of a clear cause and effect link between leaving the EU and supply chain disruptions on food, medicines, fuel.

I suppose I'm hoping to understand something more fundamentally uplifting than the examples you've cited or the rationale for dismissing the YELLOWHAMMER CONOP.

[YouLookGood]

🙋🏽‍♀️

[Contraceptionismyfriend]

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[jasjas1973]

The so called tampon tax is a shockingly poor example of "the EU makes our laws" argument - but as it is your "prime example" of eu law imposed on the UK, you'll have many others not quite but almost as good?

Of course you haven't though have you? the UK has had a seat at the table of the EU and helped form almost all EU law, mostly benefiting from it.
Almost all laws on the UK statute book are to do with regulation and trade standards, things we will still have to have if we wish to trade with the EU, the remaining laws don't even apply to the UK, such as Olive oil production standards.... as a senior civil servant, you would of course know this, wouldn't you?

How do you feel about NATO membership? now that membership really does come at a cost to sovereignty.

[Theworldisfullofgs]

I don't really want to just cope. I want the sunny uplands that were promised.

[Deathgrip]

It explains so much when you see a poster who’s always being incredibly obstinate and argumentative on other threads admitting to being a Leave voter... 🤔

[SacrebleuLondres]

@jasjas1973

Yes Article 5 in the NATO treaty is a good example. The U.K. can be dragged into war without wanting to. I believe it has been triggered once by the US.

But back to the subject.

I would like to know what we can look forward to. I don't know what we should rejoice about.

There must be a big fundamental thing we'll be able to do outside the EU that we can't do today. Yet it escapes me.

[time4chocolate]

I'm not sure what's misleading. I'm genuinely interested in understanding motivations for Leave ...

Of course you are 😂😂😂😂

[SacrebleuLondres]

What can we look forward to @time4chocolate ?

There's so much negativity around. Cheer us up.

[tomtom1999xx]

The one thing I’m looking forward to is the end of these boring repetitive threads.
Honestly, if you’ve seen one brexit thread you’ve seen them all.

[time4chocolate]

There's so much negativity around. Cheer us up

I've got a couple of cracking jokes I could tell?😊

[jasjas1973]

time4 i was going to vote leave but i decided to look into the reality of the claims made by Vote Leave and leave.eu plus all the arguments made by the various factions on both sides.

I came away with the distinct impression that most Leaver arguments was based on dreams, wish lists and slogan...

The only one i could see sense in was the FOM one, which is completely unsustainable but my opinion is we change it from within, not leave with all the damage that is going to bring us.

So, yes i would like to know if there is something i missed back in 2016 and that there are these very real benefits to leaving the EU.

[KennDodd]

Death of the Tory party? They're fucked (as are we) whichever way this goes. If they don't deliver the hardest possible crash out Brexit they will never be forgiven. If they do deliver the hardest possible crash out Brexit they will never be forgiven.

Same as I posted on the other thread.