Any more Leave supporters on MN?

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I've not been on here for a while.

I'm seeing only anti Brexit threads on here.

Any Leave voters out there?

What do we have to look forward to when we Brexit?

double we can’t have a completely free trade deal with no border outside the SM/CU

Why is that so difficult to understand?

Why do you still believe we can have the same deal as we do know, just without the bits we didn’t like?

Did you have or do you have any thoughts on the impact it is likely to have on peace in NI?

No. Over 500 MPs voted to invoke Article 50. If there were any legal reasons why this should not have happened it should have been spotted by MPs and Article 50 not invoked.

I remember prior to the referendum there was talk of;

deals
Canada model
Norway model
Swizz model

However, ballot paper was a choice between leave or remain in the EU.

Seems that the Border issue has only raised its head since the WA was first developed and the use of the word backstop.

Don't think anyone wants to see a return to the troubles previously seen before in NI. However, at same time I am not sure how 17.4 million can be told they can't have what they voted for due to a potential peace issue in NI.

@Doubletrouble99 , the backstop was our idea.
I know @Bearbehind disagrees with me on this but if we put a border in the sea, all this is easier. NI stays part of the UK but has different trading rules which allow it to have a GFA friendly border with the EU at ROI.
NI reaps the financial benefit of being a special economic zone. There was one in China at the border with Hong Kong before handover. I know because I went there with a Hong Kong based UK business person for trade discussions.

Double TM did seem the best person and she certainly talked the talk. Her tough stance and dogged determination were seen as a good thing in that we thought she would be the next Maggie, but no, she capitulated too quickly and had her own ideas or rather Olly Robin's ideas that she insisted on moving forward with which were not what the Brexiteers had wanted at all.

So what? Why should the 'Brexiteers' have everything their way? Government's job in to work for the good of the country, not appease a minority group.

I know Bearbehind disagrees with me on this but if we put a border in the sea, all this is easier

Me disagreeing with you doesn’t matter.

The DUP have already vetoed this.

You keep bringing it up as if no one has ever considered it - they have and it failed.

I really don’t understand why you keep asking randoms on the internet if they’d accept it when it’s less likely to go through than the WA.

And please stop tagging me, the e-mails drive me mad.

The DUP are not a UK wide party . I don't give a shit what they support or don't support.

I am sick of the back and forth disagreements and point scoring with no solution offered. This suggestion has not been through Parliament and so it has not been tested.

But it doesn’t matter what you do or don’t give a shit about, they can and have prevented that option being viable.

There’s more chance of getting the WA over the line that getting that through.

So what? Why should the 'Brexiteers' have everything their way?

Over 500 MPs in UK Government chose to invoke Article 50 even though the majority of MPs were (and still are) pro-remain. No point in asking a question if the answer is to be ignored.

Government's job in to work for the good of the country, not appease a minority group

If Government thought that Brexit was bad for the UK they should not have invoked Article 50.

Government's primary responsibility is to preserve democracy by honouring the results of a vote. Without democracy decisions are made under the rules of the jungle as UK and many other Countries have experienced.

English civil wars alone claimed the lives of 100,000+

Of those that were interested whether or not UK should leave the EU more voted leave than remain. Hence to preserve democracy and avoid further civil wars the leave result has to be implemented.

If people change their minds in the future they can vote in a GE accordingly.

It has not been tested in Parliament. How do you know that Leave supporting Labour MPs wouldn't go for it to make up for the loss of DUP /ERG votes?

Because the Tories need the support of the DUP to hold up their government hence they can’t put this proposal to parliament because they’d lose their majority on everything else.

They have a majority of 1 with DUP support. Not exactly a fully functioning majority.

You are baffling me now bellini

Without DUP support they wouldn’t have a majority at all, regardless of how slim that majority might be now.

And they pull over votes from the other side. We are in uncharted parliamentary waters. Brexit is more powerful than party loyalty for some. Why not

FFS bellini this isn’t just about this vote - can you really not see that.

If the do this to the DUP the Tories will lose power entirely.

The Tories are putting the party before Brexit.

Government's primary responsibility is to preserve democracy by honouring the results of a vote. Without democracy decisions are made under the rules of the jungle as UK and many other Countries have experienced.

No their primary duty is to serve the country in the way that they think will benefit it. There has been a vote after the Referendum and the party which called the Referendum lost its majority remember?

What do you think a government of national unity would do? This is just the same as that.
Why are you getting all het up over what I say? I'm suggesting a workable solution which you, as is your right, don't agree with.

Of those that were interested whether or not UK should leave the EU more voted leave than remain. Hence to preserve democracy and avoid further civil wars the leave result has to be implemented

Civil war? are you serious? what do you think shortages of food, meds and job losses will do?
Democracy constantly evolves, what was promised in 2016 has not transpired in any shape or form, then there is the question of fraud, lying and vested interests.

If people change their minds in the future they can vote in a GE accordingly

No they cannot, once we leave, we cannot rejoin, its not like forgetting to pay your subs for the local gym.

Aside, a previous poster had exactly your posting style & argument, can't recall their name.

Imho a border in the sea wouldn't work, it effectively hives of part of the UK to the EU, would infuriate the Scots as they would see business move to NI (as would some UK businesses) they would also demand the same treatment, maybe London would too?

In addition, the Cons would lose their C&S agreement, leading to a GE.

Rumour is Boris wants the ROI to leave the trading rules of the EU and join with the UK until a tech solution is found...... who said Boris is a mini Trump?

Scotland is not NI. It has its own arguments for being independent which it must make to its own people.

First, yes Bear I am well aware we wouldn't get everything we would like in a trade deal but there are a lot of things we could agree on the trade of which is equally important to both sides especially cross border in Ireland. There is no way a 'border' in the sea is going to float as the DUP won't vote for it so that's out. I don't know about the Tories putting party before Brexit, some MPs are quite likely to vote against the government and their own party because they are so passionate about remain. Bellini - yours isn't a workable solution because it won't pass in the HOC that's what Bear is saying. It's not just a matter of opinion it's fact.
Peregrina the Tories lost their majority in 2017 yes but both labour and conservative fought the general election on a ticket of promising to leave the EU!
Jasjas, Your absolutely right about Scotland and the sea border idea. It would be the beginning of the end as far as the UK is concerned.

double it’s one of those rare days we actually agree again! 😂

Peregrina the Tories lost their majority in 2017 yes but both labour and conservative fought the general election on a ticket of promising to leave the EU!

Many Labour voters thought the were voting for a Remain party, or other issues like health and education, and have been sadly disappointed to find that their vote has been interpreted as a vote for Brexit. It's not a mistake they will make again! It doesn't alter the Parliamentary arithmetic though - neither party had a Manifesto which appealed to a majority.

@Doubletrouble99 why won't it pass in HOC? It's never been tried. It gets a Brexit (albeit not the magical one). And it saves GFA.
Party loyalty in voting counts for nothing on this issue.
WA was rejected because of the UK wide element that TM's red lines demanded.

Bellini - it can't be tried by a Tory Government, because bang goes their majority.

Personally, I hope that when Parliament reconvenes another Tory or two jumps ship - being Independent will be fine by me, and then with no Tory majority to protect it might be possible to try it. It might even be an idea that Johnson/Cummings is entertaining!