Westminstenders: A photo opportunity

[RedToothBrush]

Johnson likes publicity.

Any attention is good attention. Whilst you are talking about how crazy his idea is, the less you come up with your own.

And there it is. The lack of plan to stop no deal. Just a bunch of idiots who argue over who is more right about politics without offering up a practical solution.

Unable to see their own flaws.

And leading us ever closer to the cliff edge and operation Yellowhammer.

[woman19]

British press playing up Johnson's meetings

Have people seen this?

HO seeking to censor an opinion piece in The New European.

This is rather important.

And Illegal.

twitter.com/the3million/status/1164609467473911808

Anyone else notice, noteable journalists talking even more rubbish in the last few days? Robert Peston and John Rentoul for example?

One wonders if others are being encouraged to follow the path of least resistance.

[woman19]

Censor is the wrong word, as they accuse the New European of saying things they didn't. I'm not sure I know what the right word is.

It smells though.

[prettybird]

It's Orwellian Ministry of Truth stuff - trying to adjust truth, facts and history to something more acceptable to those in power

[yolofish]

I am LOVING the C4 head of news who has come right out with the fact that Blowjob is a liar and that media should be calling him out every single fucking time he opens his mouth.

I know it won't make the slightest bit of difference, but at this stage I am just taking the good where I can find it.

[woman19]

Sure is prettybird the homeless department has previous for this sort of thing against poor individuals, but I've not seen them do it so overtly to an actual publication.

[Apileofballyhoo]

From that New Statesman article posted above.

A hard, ‘no deal’ Brexit that very few in Northern Ireland voted for is now being imposed as democratic and the backstop that would accommodate the wishes and interests of the North is opposed as “anti-democratic”. It is also telling that those who feign to fret about the backstop being undemocratic totally dismiss any proposal of a Northern Ireland referendum on it.

You'd think it would be a good solution - the DUP would have to accept NI being a special economic zone or whatever. But for the rich folks, the money's not to be made by signing the WA, the power isn't to be held onto by pissing off the DUP, and the hidden tax evasion accounts - have to get out pretty sharpish folks, and an NI referendum (which would probably cause a UK GE) would require an extension.

It's all about the money and power.

[BigChocFrenzy]

I note the publication felt it also had to publish the HO "corrections" as well,
not just the original article from the 3 million

[BigChocFrenzy]

Another reason why No Deal is still by far the likeliest outcome:

Remainers can no longer take yes for an answer

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-remainers-can-no-longer-take-yes-for-an-answer-11790224

So it could be with Mr Corbyn.
But too many Remainers refuse to use him to achieve their objectives.

It is not enough that Mr Corbyn gives them what they want, that he has moved to the position they sought because of his head.
He has not given them enough of his heart.
He does not believe enough, which in this Brexit culture war is a graver sin than not providing the political means of getting what you want.

Every time he moves, the anger is that he has not moved quicker

• that he should declare Labour a Remain party,

that he should move straight to Article 50 revocation,
that he must pledge in advance to campaign to remain against a deal of his own negotiation,
that he cannot be allowed to balance delicate politics because the signal and the noise is more important than his direction of travel,
that he must become an evangelical.

The Remainer Overton Window (range of policies they will find acceptable) continues to shift
and Mr Corbyn can barely keep up.

Time and again I have long thought that plenty of Brexiteers preferred the vainglory of the heroic defeat.

That they would rather charge into the Valley of Death and lose fighting for the cause, than compromise and get most of what they want,
to navigate the art of the possible.

I suspect the same fate has come with the radicalisation of the Remainers.

[AuldAlliance]

@Hester54
Do you think you could take a minute, please, to come back and answer the question put to you by both me (16:39:42) and mathanxiety (17:29:25).

Could you please provide details regarding Donald Tusk having "said many bad things against people in the U.K."?

Thank you.

[LonelyTiredandLow]

Leavers I know are now posting petitions to get all police armed with tasers , true authoritarianism. Sure they won't like it so much when they are tasered in food riots.

Also a long post about why our govt isn't supporting MH, Homeless, vets etc. I had to post under that saying at least he admitted now it was OUR govt deliberately not funding them and asking why he was worried considering he now is begging for a No Deal Brexit, which will make these all far worse.

[RedToothBrush]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3672800-Westminstenders-30-days-to-save-us-all?watched=1
New thread

[Outsomnia]

It is back to the future with the 30 day issue. EU know nothing will be proposed within 30 days or ever for that matter, other than ditching the backstop and going No Deal. They know, and we know deep down too. So what gives?

I read the ROI newspapers online to get a real feel for what is going on. It is generally unbiased, meaning they are not demonising UK but positing the outcome of No Deal in relation to that country and other EU countries with which UK was once very friendly with, Netherlands for example. Tony Connelly on Twitter is a good source of information too.

I urge people to see and read what others are saying, and find a middle ground somewhere, anywhere!

Is it really OK for the UK to crash out and destroy its friendly neighbours in the process? I don't think so.

But this has become a cultish pursuit of winning at any cost.

The press in UK is polarised right down the middle. Telegraph... not read by the Guardian readers and vice versa. Daily Mail well enough said there! And so on.