Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

*woman in many ways Glasgow is no different from many English cities except you have got the added sectarianism.

Sectarianism is still an issue but I don’t think it is as bad as it once was. Like any city there are areas that are more ethnically diverse than others.

I think it’s difficult to know with Scottish Brexiteers. Some will be Unionists but a fair few will be SNP supporters.

I know a few who voted both Yes to Independence and Leave the EU.

Thanks prettybird and justabout . Interesting. Many of the old allegiances are changing......

I still hate marching season though It's a blight on the city

Torygraph for tomorrow - Brussels expects no deal

Re SNP members who voted Leave: I met a couple who did so because they were anti-TTIP

I did try to explain that the EU was also anti-TTIP, that it was being blocked by France & Germany but that the UK (in the guise of Conservatives) had already said it was happy to sign . Not sure they believed me though

Could the Torygraph be trying to change the tide a little with that title (can't see the detail of the story tbh) - as in; they EXPECT it now...so we won't do it! A climb down due to indignant cries of "how very dare they translate BoZo et al's cries of 'We will No Deal!' as exactly that!" ?

Too hopeful by far I'm sure!

Has this already been shared?

Odious Crispin Odey - Tory donor, Leave donor, Boris campaign donor - betting £300m on a shit no deal outcome.

I've actually, finally and very reluctantly, come to the conclusion that there are no unicorns, and as such we will leave on Oct 31 with no deal.

Spent the w/e sorting out the log store, so when the power goes off at least we will be able to light a fire... just need to get some more coal in and revist the Brexit cupboard.

Seriously depressed by the whole bloody thing.

The Guardian was saying the same about No Deal.
Does Boris Johnson really think he's being strong here?

I also see that we have joined an American task force to protect shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. I can just see the way it's going - whatever America wants it will get.

However, Johnson might get away with chlorinated chicken and hormone laden beef, but I don't think he will be forgiven easily for wrecking the NHS.

I can't see the full text Lonely but going from the latest online update from the Torygraph it's basically saying that the EU have accepted that BJ isn't bluffing and are working on a no deal hypothesis having said there's no point meeting as they aren't going to get rid of the backstop (which of course we already knew).

"It comes as all government departments in Whitehall were given a 48-hour deadline to prove their readiness for no deal."

Nicola says we can move to Scotland though

Is Johnson not working on it simple because he's bone idle, or is it because he really would like us to crash out so that we can become the 51st State in due course?

He must be regretting giving up his US citizenship now, although he could perhaps reapply.

What does it mean that he would defy a VoNC? Does he mean he would just ignore it????? He'll be turning up to parliament in his red shoes next ...

And I'm sure I've asked this before under a different scenario (or maybe the exact same one) but - if De Pfeffel loses a vote of no confidence and refuses to accept that, meanwhile those calling the vote were sensible enough not to do it before they had the outlines of their government of national unity in place - they are able to form in the two weeks, Boris is flat out dictator refusing to go ... who does the EU accept as the government of the UK? Especially if De Pfeffel has locked the doors to Westminster (locking himself inside - natch) and the new govt are now meeting across the road?

Do you think they've wargamed that scenario? They might have to ...

I think it is Cummings who is propagating the idea that BlowJob could and would just ignore a VONC.

Grieve, who was AG at the time the FTPA was written, has said that it's not possible.

Who would you believe?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3657605-Westminstenders-Promises-promises?watched=1

New thread.

Grieve, who was AG at the time the FTPA was written, has said that it's not possible.
Who would you believe?

Unfortunately I believe that Johnson has the makings of a mad dictator - and therefore all manner of thinks which should be impossible will be made possible by him ... and I don't mean that in a positive way.

Odious Crispin Odey - Tory donor, Leave donor, Boris campaign donor - betting £300m on a shit no deal outcome.

Odey. Odious little man.

There is such a gulf between people in the UK. There we are. Let us hope we can mend the divide in the next 5 years whatever the outcomes.

Most Labour and Tory politicians mean well and often work for less than they could earn outside.

If someone said to you "what would you imagine Crispin Odey, Tory donor, Leave donor, Boris campaign donor, who is betting £300 million on a shit no deal outcome looked like?" That photo of him would be exactly what you'd have imagined. Uncanny.

Most Labour and Tory politicians mean well and often work for less than they could earn outside

I think this is true.

But there is a problem with this in itself. It just highlights the narrow band of society which are becoming MPs.

There are only certain professions where you can earn that, or being head of something like local council.

There is a lot to be said for needing more people from professions, which require critical analysis skills and understanding of people such as social work. Areas which require training and ability and understanding of systems and how things work but less glamorous and prestigious.

We also need a lot more people from an IT background in particular as this field is hugely lacking. By that I mean actual current programmers with hands on skills rather than owners and managers now who haven't practised in a few years. Yes you can earn £80,000 plus in this field but considering the size of the industry and importance on society of the industry its hugely underrepresented in parliament - it also is slightly less upper middle class in background and culture I'd argue. People who understand data protection and data security issues properly.