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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2019 12:31

Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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placemats · 05/08/2019 13:53

I'd rather spoil my vote than vote LibDem in a general election and I would help out the local Labour MP standing.

I would rather cut off my limbs than vote conservative in my area. Probably would consider it in other areas though. NEVER LibDems, ever again (yes, I've voted for them in the past if only with a peg on my nose)

Corbyn has to go, he knows this. His time is now up and he needs to shed the svengali complex.

Otherwise in a fptp system, in England at least, it will ALWAYS be Tory.

I'm of a mind that the current situation in Whaley Bridge is a perfect analogy of Brexiteers as in:

What do experts know?
It's all overblown and there is nothing going to go wrong.
We know best.

And yet if the damn bursts, HCPs and rescue services will be putting themselves at risk to recover the bodies at a huge cost.

DGRossetti · 05/08/2019 13:57

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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough
placemats · 05/08/2019 13:58

Plus there is already a huge cost implemented in case of a catastrophe, which of course, we hope won't happen. Nothing is sacred when it comes to engineering.

placemats · 05/08/2019 13:59

And of course, the cognitive dissonance in Whaley Bridge.

What do experts know?
The dam has been built by experts.

It's shocking and costly.

prettybird · 05/08/2019 14:04

No howabout - this was polling that was done by Lord Ashcroft after Blowjob visited Scotland last week Confused

Haven't looked at the data tables yet though - but I would still be wary if I were Nicola, as it may just be a Scottish "Boris Bounce" - just not in the direction he was hoping for Wink

Hasenstein · 05/08/2019 14:11

Haven't looked at the data tables yet though - but I would still be wary if I were Nicola, as it may just be a Scottish "Boris Bounce" - just not in the direction he was hoping for wink

More of a "Boris sag", then. Shudder.

prettybird · 05/08/2019 14:15

Ds has also just pointed out a major flaw in Ashcroft's polling: it doesn't include 16-18 year olds who have the right to vote in Scotland.

placemats · 05/08/2019 14:19

In the Scottish Parliament only prettybird

placemats · 05/08/2019 14:21

Most 16-18 year old voters, non Conservative, would have voted for anyone else other than Boris Johnson.

Justaboutdone · 05/08/2019 14:24

@placemats but they would get to vote in a referendum which would most likely put the Yes % up.

Hazardtired · 05/08/2019 14:25

Are we back?

I missed you all!

placemats · 05/08/2019 14:28

Percentage of 16-18 year old voters in the Conservative party.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39965925

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395211

Last link: 7% of the Conservative membership, total 160,00 are between the ages of 18-25. That's 11.2

howabout · 05/08/2019 14:30

pretty sorry what I meant was although this is new polling it shows exactly the same as 2014. The final poll was Yes marginally ahead but the actual result was 55% No in 2014.

Lots difficult about the Ashcroft poll but cba to interrogate due to the above:

  1. 16-18 year olds
  2. EU Nationals can vote in an Indyref but are not WM voters and overseas voters are included for WM but not Indyref
  3. SNP support has moved around a lot between 2014-2019 (35%-50%-37%) so difficult to get accurate sampling of "usual SNP voters". If 50% was the sample then Yes is oversampled
  4. Turnout would be very different depending on whether the Q was Indyref / EU ref / Holyrood / WM. I doubt the don't know / don't vote adjustments reflect this.
placemats · 05/08/2019 14:32

A referendum will only happen when the backstop fails, the international treaty that is the Good Friday Agreement is in danger and, by dent of the danger to this treaty, the Border Agreement Referendum comes into place, which will pass, be there no mistake on this, then and only then, will Scotland get to have their Referendum put forward to Parliament for discussion and agreement.

In other words: it's complicated.

Motheroffourdragons · 05/08/2019 14:34

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howabout · 05/08/2019 14:34

Placemats pretty is talking about the franchise for an Indyref, although you are correct in asserting that 16-18 year olds are likely more Yes minded - that said they have grown up under the Scottish Parliament and with SNP supporting parents so they may well be due an anti-establishment rebellion.

Motheroffourdragons · 05/08/2019 14:35

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placemats · 05/08/2019 14:40

Mother I have to say I hoped Scotland would stay because I did fear a referendum on leaving the EU and thank god that worked out well. Now, however, I hope one day you get your Scottish passport. Scotland deserves it!

placemats · 05/08/2019 14:42

It worked out well, let me be clear, because Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to remain.

I also hope that the EU will welcome Scotland as a member state.

placemats · 05/08/2019 14:44

The only people who are 'rebelling' in all of this Brexit shite nonsense are those aged over 45. howabout Am I scared? NON!

howabout · 05/08/2019 14:47

A further point to ponder on Corbyn and London.
Corbyn polled 54% of the London vote in 2017. Sadiq Khan only managed 44% of round 1 votes in the Mayoral election a year earlier (this was in line with the 2015 GE result for London).

So even in Remain London 20% of the Labour vote looks to be Corbyn driven. It is also likely to be Leave oriented as this is the part of the Labour electorate Corbyn reaches which Khan doesn't.

prettybird · 05/08/2019 14:49

You may be correct howabout - although ds' "rebellion" is to maybe not vote SNP (although he would in a GE) but to vote Green as he is getting very concerned and angry about climate change.

I never rebelled against my parents' Labour voting principles, because they'd brought me to to believe in education and health as the cornerstones for equality of opportunity (no coincidence that Dad was a exclusiviely NHS doctor and mum was a teacher Wink) - and they eventually followed me to the SNP (although they did go via the LibDems Wink).

Motheroffourdragons · 05/08/2019 14:49

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howabout · 05/08/2019 14:49

Do you want Nessie or Unicorns on every page mother? Grin

woman19 · 05/08/2019 14:51

So even in Remain London 20% of the Labour vote looks to be Corbyn driven. It is also likely to be Leave oriented as this is the part of the Labour electorate Corbyn reaches which Khan doesn't

Is this deliberate or accidental humour?

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