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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2019 12:31

Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 22:39

Swapping out SPADs doesn't shock me

To be expected after the whole govt have been purged of any minister who didn't support hard Brexit or who supported Hunt

SPADs are only political whores for the use of the governing party, paid for by the taxpayer

What is shocking are reports of ordinary senior civil servants, diplomats and military chiefs being asked to swear oaths to Brexit,
or being moved aside if suspected of not being enthusiastic

We'll have to see if that actually happens, or if those reports were just some Brexiters' wet dream

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 22:43

"That looks very much like Labour doing their part in the "Remain Alliance""

No, it's what I'd expect from voters in a Remain stronghold
Not that many rightwingers as a % in London
(BJ was able to get many non-Cons to vote for him; let's see if they've since rumbled him)

howabout · 04/08/2019 22:46

tobee SpADs have been political appointments (ie sackable by the administration) since they were first introduced by Labour in 1964 (per Wiki). They are "temporary" appointees under the 1995 Civil Service rules.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 22:46

If you claim everyone to the right of Labour on some issues is right or centre right, then your "centre" sounds more like centre of the Labour party

Not surprising:
I find hard right conservatives claim8ng to be right of centre, because their "centre" is also of the bubble they know - the Tories

prettybird · 04/08/2019 22:47

To be fair and I can't believe that I'm actually defending this Blush - but SpAds aren't "ordinary" civil servants (and iirc, have a slightly different code of conduct) as they are overtly political appointments. Confused

The clue is in their name: Special Advisors (ie not "Senior Civil Servant" or even PPS) but I do think that they should have a different, more explicit name given their roles. Special Political Unelected Know-it-alls might do it. Or Spunks for short Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 22:55

I regard them as Special Prostitutes

Obviously once the govt is of the hard right, the SPADs will be too

Justaboutdone · 04/08/2019 23:02

Labour as a party is done.

It’s pretty much been wiped out in Scotland.

Wales looks as if it’s going the same way.

And if they continue to be Anti Semitic and controlled by Momentum the same may happen in england.

They are making themselves unelectable. There are some very good Labour MPs (who may be deselected soon) and I can only hope they join together and form a new party.

tobee · 04/08/2019 23:50

But that's the thing Justabout. The good Labour MPs will presumably have to leave and form a new party. Such parties traditionally do not fare well. As a friend and I discussed when Corbyn got elected leader, the party will have to split and the fight will be who gets to keep the name. I can't see the current leadership ceding the name.

If the Tories Brexit the way the seem to be hell bent on doing, they will have largely seen off UKIP and the Brexit party. They will be a united right party. The centre and the centre left and the left will be fatally divided. This is why I feel so depressed and angry. The Corbyn led party (whatever people interpret that to mean) are ideologically led by people who hate New Labour. They are full of brainwashed people who have Blair lumped in with the Tories. They will come on this thread in a minute and talk about the righteousness of Corbyn. The evil of the path Kinnock took the Labour Party on. And they will not care one iota. Because it is a cult party with no interest at all in being elected. The sooner people realise this we can see where the left of centre really is. I have no hope. At all.

wheresmymojo · 05/08/2019 06:33

Not sure if anyone has shared this before - John Bird & John Fortune sketch from the 90s on Conservative Euro-sceptics that is doing the rounds on FB.

Amusing and depressing in equal measure as it's not far off actual political discourse at the moment.

I'm just about to post it to the Tory FB forums with screenshots of comments people on the forum have previously made that are the same as the sketch.

I do like to wind them up on a Monday morning Grin

wheresmymojo · 05/08/2019 06:33

Oooops...

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NoWordForFluffy · 05/08/2019 06:43

They'll be banning you, mojo!

wheresmymojo · 05/08/2019 10:19

Finally MN is back up again!

Anyway...this is from The Sun which is basically what we were talking about yesterday...

wheresmymojo · 05/08/2019 10:20

Finally MN is back up again!

Anyway...this is from The Sun which is basically what we were talking about yesterday...

wheresmymojo · 05/08/2019 10:20

Finally MN is back up again!

Anyway...this is from The Sun which is basically what we were talking about yesterday...

wheresmymojo · 05/08/2019 10:21

Finally MN is back up again!

Anyway...this is from The Sun which is basically what we were talking about yesterday...

wheresmymojo · 05/08/2019 10:21

But still not working properly it seems.

Four duplicate posts none of which contain the attached photo

Grinchly · 05/08/2019 12:09

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RedToothBrush · 05/08/2019 12:58

Wooho. And we are back.

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howabout · 05/08/2019 13:18

Due to MN being out all morning I had to entertain myself with some data analysis to test my hypothesis about London and Labour's strategy yesterday Sad I know.

So Labour crammed down the London Con/Brexit Party vote to 26%.
Scotland voted even more heavily Remain in the EU Ref in 2016 at 62%. It is also assessed as being "more Left leaning". The Brexit Party / Conservative in Scotland vote held steady from 2014 and at 27% was slightly higher than London. In short the SNP and LibDems took the Labour vote but did not impact the "Opposition".

Then I did some backtracking on the "Corbyn puts off the middle ground" narrative, via Westminster elections. Even in 2001 the LibDems polled 18%. In 2005 and 2010 it was 22%. This means the current polling for them is actually normal. The thing that made the difference in 2010 and 2015 was that more and more Labour voters stayed home and the swing voters started to decide it was time to give the Tories a shot. The thing which caught the Tories out in 2017 was that Labour under Corbyn managed to mobilise 3.5m people who had stopped voting.

More eloquent article on this from a Tory pov. Point 2 Corbynomics remains popular is the most relevant.

mailchi.mp/ff175a54afc4/boris-wins-big-right

Peregrina · 05/08/2019 13:18

It's a blessing in disguise that MN went down, because I had a deadline to meet and I wasn't able to distract myself with MN.

howabout · 05/08/2019 13:21

2 wee notes on the Scotland polling.

  1. iirc this was the polling the night before Indyref1 which is why the BBC et al were convinced Yes would win.

  2. The 17% of SNP voters who would rather stay in the UK than the EU - it wasn't me honest Grin

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