Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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Unfortunately, I don't think everyone

Of course it was a Tory move to characterise Labour votes as Leave votes. Which one could argue has had the intended effect of weakening Labour support.

I think this is a very important point. Although the 80% thing still makes my blood boil when I think about it, there’s a little voice of reason telling me that I’ve been manipulated and am feeling exactly what the Tories want me to feel

No tobee there is no "we" about it if cricket or football is the topic.

emily I don't disagree with any of what you say on personal popularity. It rather supports my point as JC polled 54% for the Labour Party in London on his Leadership of the whole party where Sadiq Khan and Ken only managed between 40-45%. As you rightly point out people are far more likely to vote heart than head and on personality in a Mayoral contest and so if anything I would have expected Labour to poll below Sadiq's personal popularity.

Worth pointing out that the EU election results in London will definitely have flattered the Greens and the LibDems. This is because EU Nationals make up a significant proportion of the EU electorate but not the WM electorate. They were highly motivated to vote in EU2019 and are far more accustomed to voting for niche parties.

"physically sick at what he was hearing"

to be honest, this tells me more about the vomiter than what they vomited at. Sorry if that is "snippy" or harsh.

Actually I'm not.

We will leave on 31/10/19.

I'm resigned to it now.

Petitions, marches, e mails to my mp...I've done it all.

Just trying to figure out how to Brexit proof my family. Sadly, I'm not independently wealthy like most ERGers.

Tobee I know it was a pitiful collapse in the end.

Sorry about that howabout

It's pressure, innit? It's a mental game, innit, Basil?

mojo maybe they are suffering from morning sickness?

And the clutching at straws award goes to....

The Cornish voted overwhelmingly in favour of leave.

I mean how stupid is that?

Has education in Cornwall come no more forward than that in Poldark times?

Motheroffourdragons Please can you give examples of how you have been treated with contempt, if Scotland were to gain independence, what currency would you use, what would happen to the border between us, would Scottish people working and living in the rest of the U.K. have to get work permits or apply for citizenship or return home and vice versa, etc etc just curious

Tobee yes it is definitely a mental game....

Actually, a 7 % swing and Cornwall would have voted to Remain, it certainly wasn't an overwhelming Leave vote.

Insulting whole areas of the country is just going to piss people off...and you've pissed off this cornish remainer.

Perhaps what we do have to accept is that remain ran a terrible campaign and leave didn't..as shown here.

Even now, leave is running rings 'round remain.

@Hester54 Scottish people were
Told in 2014 if they wanted to remain in EU they had to vote to stay in UK.

I do believe that it was a deciding factor for many votes.

They feel lied too.

As for what would happen after independence - I don’t know. It would be a massive job to separate Scotland with the rest of the UK and who knows what decisions will be made. But if you are at rock bottom how much lower can you go? Surely that is the best time to make the move?

if Scotland were to gain independence, what currency would you use

For the sake of a "yes" vote, please ensure this is properly worked out. I can't prove it, but I do know the moment I heard the petulant cries of "it's our pound too" back in 2014, it felt like something had been lost. And indeed, in debates at the time, there really were a lot of pro-Independence folk that got very "Brexity" about the issue. By which I meant refusing to engage, but blustering VERY LOUDLY.

DGR I do not feel many areas were properly considered in 2014 and you are right - many things were shouted down just like in the Brexit debate.

For me now though - if we NO DEAL then that is such a fundamentally stupid thing to do and Scotland needs to save its self. I actually think there would be more support for Scotland using the Euro.

And I also think many in Scotland would be happy for a border with England if it means they can join the EU.

It just seems Scotland want to jump into the unknown, much the same as Brexit,

Who will pay for the border to erected and controlled?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-uk-eu-no-deal-downing-street-boris-johnson-a9039791.html#comments

Does BJ think he has a divine right, or is he doing everything he can de get a VONC.

If they stop Brexit then he can roll in again and be the saviour - like he always wanted to be.

Hester so much if this is anger at the moment.

No one has the answers. And a 2nd Indy red campaign has not been started.

The only focus now is on stopping No Deal as is right.

Hester - when Ireland became independent, a Common Travel Area was created between Ireland and the UK. That is one potential solution.

It would obviously have been easier if England FUKD were still part of the EU.

But given that BlowJob is so insistent that a technological solution exists already for the NI-Ireland border, Scotland can use the same technology

Seriously though, a border may well be required between England and Scotland but at least it wouldn't have the deadly history of the NI border.

Re currency, the original idea had been that continuing to use the £ was the least harmful to both nation states (Scotland and FUKD) - one of, iirc, 5(?) options for the currency. Mark Carney said it was possible but would involve ceding a degree of sovereignty, as most currency unions do - which the Scottish Government at the time deemed to be acceptable.

I believe the current proposal is to set up a new currency and a Central Bank, with a view ultimately to joining the Eurozone (which wouldn't be possible initially anyway as the Central Bank would need to demonstrate suitable fiscal probity and like Sweden, might always choose to just miss them ) - but to be honest, I haven't been reading the currency proposals in detail.

This will damage the Bank of England and sterling as the Scottish Banks would then withdraw the deposits that they have to lodge with the BoE in order to print Scottish notes.

Heck, if there was another indyref and Scotland got to stay as part of EU I think a whole load of professionals would move up there! I would certainly look at selling up our home (I think the Scottish education system is better anyway) as I know my dad would certainly rather hop on a flight to Scotland than Australia (where I was going to re-locate in June). He is the only reason we haven't left the country.

I remember BoZo being rather rude to the Scots and every time SNP gets up in HoC they are ignored and worse. Then there's Trident dumped up there...quite a lot just off the top of my head really Hester!

The problem with the currency, was the fact that - quite properly - the BoE warned that while Scotland was more than free to use the pound (as is any other country in the world) it would not be allowed to have any say in the monetary policy of the Bank of England. Which would also be the case for any other country in the world that wanted to use the pound.

Crucially, this meant Scotland would have no say in interest rates - meaning it was not truly "sovereign".

However, the hard of thinking (who always seem to be louder for some reason) decided to interpret that as being "forbidden" to use the pound.

The ensuing bunfight was undignified and generally unsullied with facts.

Given the current situation Sterling is in, I suspect any appetite for keeping the pound now has diminished.

My eldest is in Scotland. I will try to relocate there this year. I'm sick to the back teeth of brexit. There is no word to express the contempt and anger I feel for the PIRATES who are destroying this country.
There is a special place for them in hell indeed.