Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

• The conversation will then become who is best to rebuild Britain & make the most of being outside the EU.

Corbyn's Labour are best placed to win this argument*

I'm not so sure about that - post-Brexit we may feel like an even more 'dog eat dog' world. I could be wrong but I foresee a clamour to boost the economy after the impact of no-deal through lowering corporation taxes and additional tax breaks for certain types of business we want to attract. Lower regulations (and rights).

When the chips are down and people are feeling the pinch I think they'll turn to a more ruthless pursuit of money for themselves personally.

On that basis I could ask why they did so badly in the Euros?

Do you really think that 16 MEPs up from 1 previously is doing badly? If so, a lot of people will be happy with idea of badly.

I think Andrew Neil must be playing deliberately thick, if he can't see why Germany will do anything to avoid inflation. Either that, or he simply has lost his edge and needs to limit himself to writing for regional real ale guides about local speciality foods.

"once we have left why would a Remainer desert Labour? "

Well, why would a Leaver desert Labour ?

Either Labour voters will return after Brexit, or they won't
and there have far more Remainer votes to lose than Leave ones
e.g. if say 20% never return because of Brexit that matters far more for Remain voters

Then of course there are centrist voters who would punish Labour for a long time afterwards
I would not only never consider voting Labour, but in a Labour marginal I would vote for LDem or Green (or Plaid / SNP) even if that meant risking a Tory getting in

It would mean I regard Labour as being as much the enemy to be targeted as Tory

Jane Aitchison
@JaneAitchison
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Utterly disgusted that a Tory councillor came to the food bank collection in Pudsey today - not to contribute - but to tell us that food banks are only needed because people don’t budget properly!
Hard to budget when you have no money for 5 weeks! #universal credit #ForTheMany

What the fuck is Britain doing voting these cunts in smh

German bond rates have been negative for a long time

It is weird, but countries judged a high risk have to pay high interest to get investors to buy their bonds
So it seems people have been prepared to basically pay Germany to keep their money safe in a time of great uncertainty, rather than receive interest on riskier bonds

I don't know how long that will last, but so far, hasn't caused real problems

German unemployment is 3.1%

Companies here are competing for any competent worker with a pulse

I think you underestimate AF Neil. He is pointing out the limits of economic logic in political policy making. Another example would be Danny Blanchflower et al advocating interest rate cuts and QE to tackle a financial meltdown caused by excess credit.

The LibDems should be asking themselves why anyone would vote for them after we have Brexited? No-one has forgiven them for the coalition or the duplicity of the 2010 manifesto.

On one level, you’re right.... the LibDems do need to be more than the anti-Brexit party. However, if you think Brexit will be all over come 1 November (assuming we do leave with no-deal) you’ll be sorely disappointed, as there begins a decade or so of working out our relationship with Europe.... and the arguments over how that relationship will look will continue. For starters, if BJ gives a penny of the £39m to Brussels, expect NF and the Tory Ultras castigate him for rolling over and shouting “betrayal” from the top of their lungs.

Also, it’s funny how presumably you have forgiven Labour’s promotion of the Iraq War.... a far worse “crime” than any U-turn on tuition fees.

I expect many formerly Labour Remainers will never forgive Labour for collaborating with the hard right Tores over Brexit

A Labour GE Manifesto telling Remainers to fuck off now, in the breathtakingly arrogant assumption they'll return later .....
just an updated version of Michael Foot's "longest suicide note in history"

If Labour are that arrogant and entitled towards their own voters, then the party doesn't deserve to survive
.... and some very angry Remainers will be doing all we can to make sure it doesn't

Ahem - David Blanchflower. Danny Blanchflower was a footballer. Whether he had any views about the economy is unknown.

I went to a hustings once when Michael Foot was the speaker, which must have been before the 1992 election. He went on and on about the 1945 election. I bumped into a friend while I was there and remember saying to her that my children would be old enough to vote in a few years time and they would want to hear about what Labour offered Now. Telling them about 1945 would have been like telling me about voting in the late 1920s or early 1930s - interesting for historical reasons, but nothing to inspire me to vote for the existing party.

In case anyone has missed it, there's yet another stockpiling bunfight thread, full of many novel and fully evidenced insights by Leavers. Kidding.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3655250-Beginning-to-panic-about-skyrocketing-inflation-as-a-result-of-a-no-deal-Brexit

He went on and on about the 1945 election
Men do tend to ossify in their chosen 'prime'.

Speaking of which, does anyone else think that Jeremy Corbyn looks rather poorly? Shots of him on news yesterday, I don't know when they were taken, show him looking thin and vulnerable imo.

I've always had a soft spot for Michael Foot, exasperating though he could be

He was very knowledgeable about the 19th century - more so than his own !

However, he was a genuinely talented Parliamentary, a respected author, very well read, a clever bloke who worked hard, was pretty energetic.

Never minimised antisemitism
His patriotism was genuine, but not negative - he never allowed the party to blame immigrants for our woes

Just didn't fit as well with voters in the 1980s as he might have done in the 1880s
and his policy on unilateral disarmament terrified the nuke-huggers - who included too many voters.

Corbyn is dim, lazy, doesn't seem to have read a book since school, if then and knows bugger all about getting things done in Parliament, despite having been an MP since 1983

Doesn’t seem to have done anything noteworthy in a very mediocre life, until his buggins turn to try the Labour leadership suddenly turned into a Lotto win

Can't or won't see the glaring antismitism in the party, or the bullying misogyny

He's lived a long time, but has gained very little knowledge or ability during those years

With a Labour leader of even bog-standard ability, we would almost certainly not now be staring No Deal in the face
In fact, RemaIn would have won and this Brexshittery would have been stillborn

He is called Danny Blanchflower as a nickname.

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

Quite a story from the FT.

Performers at the Edinburgh International Festival are refusing to be paid in sterling because they’re so worried about it mainting its value.

“No-one wants to do deals in sterling anymore” its Director says.

Once the global reserve currency and now...

Farage announced the first 50 Faragist candidates to fight the next GE
with another 100 to follow next week

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

Brexit Party isn't letting up the pressure.
Given that the PM has has absorbed BXP policy wholesale, their numbers are proving remarkably sticky.
Number 10 will be disappointed; but as I reported in the spring, many of its supporters don't trust him and aren't going to switch.

Thanks Swedish

BCF up here there are 2 trains of thought about the Festival.

1. No-one gets paid because there is too much competition for venues and audiences.
2. Nothing worth seeing because all the original content has been pushed out by big slebs.

Neither is actually true as I know several local to me community
groups with shows. Much less hassle for me to see them locally in preview and development though.

The street performers and the majority of venue shows are all happy with ££ as they mostly live on the takings day to day (if they are lucky) - of course if they can persuade the super rich egoists to pay them in $$ or left over Euros as well then so much the better.

The Festival is so overcrowded now (they are looking at moving some of it away from Edinburgh) I suspect many are effectively paying to perform as it gives them so much publicity and profile. A lot of TV talent also use it as a test bed for developing new material. Been a long time since The Festival has actually had to bid for shows as opposed to auditioning.

I tend to agree with this comment:
"Pretty easy to impress young mister Goodall, ain't it? This is just bit of grandstanding from some local celebs; bet that most of their lives is penny-based." - Portillo refers to the FT as The Daily Remoan for a reason.

Portillo refers to the FT as The Daily Remoan for a reason.
Yes, because he's a twat

Old news on the new crimes of the brexitsry.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/03/secret-education-report-no-deal-brexit-school-chaos

I'd prefer to be paid in euros and dollars, that is for sure. The pound is a risk currency.

The orange lodge unionist types talked crap then and they for sure still talk the same now.

And another 🤦‍♀️ amazing work @Bercows for your excellent house in 1 paragraph 🤣

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3655445-To-be-shocked-and-horrified-by-the-shit-exchange-rate

A friend of mine is up at the Fringe and told me today that accommodation costs are so expensive that none of the critics can afford to stay up there and are therefore unable to review the shows!

accommodation costs are so expensive that none of the critics can afford to stay up there and are therefore unable to review the shows

It was ever thus.

However the pound didn't used to be such an unreliable currency that performers didn't want to be paid in it.

Not sure I will ever forgive Leavers for the amount of stress this has caused me and people I know. We seem to be back to the situation where they aren't sure how they will feed our kids down here in Kent - or even if they will be able to get to school - [[https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/03/secret-education-report-no-deal-brexit-school-chaos in a leaked Govt Secret Report]] covered by the Guardian.