All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

[bellinisurge]

PS - don't think Trump will give a shiny shit about your white flag.

[HateIsNotGood]

Who said my Flag was white? You can put a Peace symbol on anything. And I don't give a shiny shit what Trump thinks either. And, there is lots of support globally for Peace, the young are particularly keen on it, as well as Environmental Protection.

Much as I like rules (when everyone sticks to them - hardly ever) I quite like breaking stupid ones too.

[bellinisurge]

@HateIsNotGood , all lovely. Meanwhile, boring grown ups have to deal with reality. And the reality is you have to deal with international rules.

[Theworldisfullofgs]

Much as I like rules (when everyone sticks to them - hardly ever) I quite like breaking stupid ones too.

Are you as keen on dealing with the inevitable sanctions which are the consequences of breaking said rules?

[HateIsNotGood]

Well, thanks for pointing out how grown up you are bellin - seeing as I'm about the same age as you. And if you want to be a "boring" (your word) stickler for the rules that's up to you but I'm happy to support new and different ways of looking at things, including borders, rules, etc.

[HateIsNotGood]

And figs yes I am. If the UK gets sanctioned for being Peaceful then there will be plenty world wide who will protest against it and plenty who will help us if urgent and life-saving supplies were stopped because of it.

Some here say that 'Brexit' is the biggest thing to happen in our lifetime - I disagree - dismantling the Berlin Wall was bigger.

[bellinisurge]

Having been the other side of the Iron Curtain when the wall came down, I know a bit about it @HateIsNotGood .
I resent the idea of you making major economic decisions for me and my daughter on the basis of some hippyshit idea about "rooms, maaaaan".

[bellinisurge]

Haha "roolz " not "rooms"

[jasjas1973]

Hatels It would be lovely if we had no border in NI/ROI post brexit, everything stays the same as it is now.

However, how would we deal with the NI businesses going bust because of cheaper goods in ROI? (due to UK paying higher import tariffs) or People smuggling? there has to be a border because we are dealing with two separate economic zones.
Say the UK has higher standards of animal welfare than the EU, NI farmers go bust and the UK has to stop sub standard food reaching our consumers.
So, none of this happens but the UK strikes a trade deal with Brazil in which hormone treated beef is imported into the UK, is it fair to impose this on ROI consumers and beyond? Or we have one with China and sub std toys are allowed into the UK, should EU kids also suffer?

Its pie in the sky, there has to be a border in a no-deal brexit and that risks a return to a militarised border, its irrelevant who puts it up - we either need to postpone brexit until we can sort out the border or scrap brexit, risking young british soldiers lives for what is basically an ideology is just evil.

[HateIsNotGood]

OK - each to their own - you can call me full of "hippy shit" and I really don't care. I'm happy to make these decisions on behalf of my DS until he has his own vote when he turns 18 in Oct. Although I stick to rules in the main I'm perfectly fine with you calling me a hippy if that's your bag man .

My anti-hippy pilot Dad was full of joy when The Wall came down - he took part in the Berlin Airlift having learned how to fly in WW2.

[ListeningQuietly]

I'd love to see a positive pro Brexit thread that was based on evidence

no harking back to racist empire
no relying on the MAGA USA to look after the UK
no magic money trees to fund stuff that could have been done within the EU
a clear understanding of where labouring staff will come from (as they have not been born in the UK)
a clear understanding that globalisation will not cease even if the UK hides under a rock
a clear understanding of the current and thus the future trade rules

I would love to reassured
I really would

[jasjas1973]

Some here say that 'Brexit' is the biggest thing to happen in our lifetime - I disagree - dismantling the Berlin Wall was bigger

Disagree on both!
Climate change is the biggest change to our lives, we are just ignoring it.... sort seeking sanctuary in a tent because there is a lion outside.

Both Iron curtain (we quickly reverted to having Russia as an enemy in anycase) and Brexit are small fry in historical terms, in 100 years no one will give a xxxx - but a 10m rise in sea levels, inability to grow food and mass migration for water and food will be devastating.

[bellinisurge]

"I'm happy to make these decisions on behalf of my DS until he has his own vote when he turns 18 in Oct. "
Lovely. So why do Leavers think they have the right to make this major economic decision for me and my daughter?

[HateIsNotGood]

jas I take on board all your points except "People Smuggling" but because of the already existing cross-border 'friendly relationships' between the people that actually live there, I think attempts to smuggle any 'lucrative' goods cross-border, enough to make any type of business go bust, either side of the non-border, will lead to meeting Customs & Excise a little way up the road.

People Smuggling? What people? Smuggling Northern Irish into Ireland or the other way? If it's other Nationalities then they would have to be 'smuggled' in to either NI or RoI first. Which is or isn't the case already.

[HateIsNotGood]

I just cast my vote just like you bellin, just as we both do in whatever election we can vote in. Hardly worth castigating me over.

[bellinisurge]

Again with the distraction technique @HateIsNotGood . No Deal fucks GFA. Doing some hippy bollocks "no borders, maaan" makes us a pariah state.
Expecting other countries to give us food aid!? Don't remember that being on the bus.

Solve the NI border issue and you can have Brexit. WA did it. Border in the sea/NI special economic fudge zone does it. Nothing else does it. Apart from Remain.

[Bunnyfuller]

We keep asking Leavers for help identifying tangible positives that may have escaped us (Remainers). The answer is generally something along the lines of ‘I don’t have to justify my reasons to you’ and we still are none the wiser.

[bellinisurge]

GFA is precious, hard won and should be protected. If you are as old as me as you claim @HateIsNotGood , you should know this. If you didn't know it, you should be ashamed.

[Clavinova]

Border in the sea; NI is a special economic zone into which all the necessary fudge needed to leave but save GFA is put.

That would be a good fix - I agree.

What is wrong with refusing to but up a border is, apart from everything else, you are in violation of WTO rules

Apparently not;

"The World Trade Organisation (WTO) has said that there is nothing in its rules that would force either the EU or UK to erect a hard Irish border after Brexit."

"The Geneva-based trade body where countries negotiate the rules of international trade would only intervene in a dispute over trade if one of its 164 member countries made a complaint."

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/wto-says-its-rules-would-not-force-eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136

[HateIsNotGood]

Well - I'm sure you're much more intellectually-evolved and a far superior person to me bellin (at least you appear to think so) and your little jibes at "hippy-shit" are really no more than that, mere bitchy-shit jibes.

You probably are so 'bitched-up' about Brexit in your humourless little head you assume I'm a pure hippy too. I'm off to go do some work as talking to you lot is futile.

[tomtom1999xx]

bellinisurge

Do you really expect mums on a parenting forum to have the answers to the N.I border?
Even top ranking politicians aren’t entirely sure what to do.
To expect posters on Mumsnet to have the answers is a bit much no?

[icannotremember]

Have we reached peak "leave is a great idea but I can't tell you why and I'm offended that you think I should be able to back up my position" yet?

[bellinisurge]

WTO doesn't require a physical border. It never had. As long as you have control of your economic area. At present, there is no way of doing that without some kind of infrastructure. Even an ANPR camera. And that makes a target. That you have to protect. As well as violating GFA.

[timeforakinderworld]

Even high profile leavers have given up on saying there are going to be any benefits* lately OP so I wouldn't hold out for mumsnet!

*Oh I forgot, we will have drinking water - wa-hey!!

[bellinisurge]

@tomtom1999xx , I expect people who pontificate about how Leave is ace and how asking questions is unpatriotic etc etc, to have an idea about sorting the NI border. I'm "only" a parent and I have come up with a solution. That the DUP would hate but, fuck 'em.