All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

{The WA agreement in Brussels is dead.
Anything sorted now will not be a carbon copy of the one in Brussels, but something different ..}

In your fantasy maybe. It is blindingly obvious you haven't listened to anything that the EU or I have said.
The leaders of 28 EU countries have said that the WA as exists is what will be signed up to.
Which part of 'We will not reopen the WA' is too difficult for you?
The EU don't need to, they are 'happy' with it as it stands (and Theresa countersigned the draft, representing the UK).

Yep my mistake...
Which makes it even worse as an even small % of non voters were needed to turn out to have got you passed the winning post.

I read your link Peregrina - too many Tier 2 applications in the same month - "The Home Office said any Tier 2 applications–which doctors come under–that are refused in oversubscribed months could reapply in future ones."

And why in heaven couldn't that Tier 2 quota be waived for that month, since there was clearly a need for those staff and time and money had been spent on attempting to recruit them?

Why on earth should those people have to go through it all again? Or is it just a nice little money spinner for the UK? How many of them would say, 'forget the UK, Australia, Canada/New Zealand will give me a visa, I'm off there?'

What is to say in this brave new world outside the EU that the Home Office won't make a similar horlicks of their quotas, and turn away much needed and qualified staff?

If the NHS has recruited Indian doctors because it needs them, why should monthly visa targets apply?

You can still support Leave and be against No Deal. You can write to you MP and tell them that you still support Leaving the EU but will not vote for them if they support No Deal?
If you voted Leave and are not prepared to do that, you are a No Dealer.

bellinisurge. Yes you can talk or write to your MP.
But if you don't vote for your MP and refuse to vote for another candidate your vote won't count and you stand to get a result you don't like.

That's democracy @mummmy2017 . Didn't you know. Even if it is an MP you didn't vote for, it is still your MP. And they don't want to lose their jobs.

That's democracy @mummmy2017 . Didn't you know. Even if it is an MP you didn't vote for, it is still your MP. And they don't want to lose their jobs.

Hence why I recon the ones who didn't vote "done you wrong......".

Again, what on earth are you talking about?

In not voting people denied you a win....
You lost because not enough people voted your way .

And I give a shit because .....?

A win is avoiding No Deal. Nothing to do with people who didn't vote 3 years ago.

Lol...ok.

You've lost us there Mummmy, your math, your reasoning, just don't get.

I'm hoping for no-deal, give people what they want, its the only way now.

Just the percentage of non voters who were needed to have bothered to gain a remain win.

Who cares about the voting numbers from over three years ago.
Many on both sides are dead
Many on both sides have reached voting age

What matters is how we move forwards from where we are today

@mummmy2017 - I. Don't. Give. A. Shit.
Avoiding No Deal is the only thing that matters.

Well how the results play out is now well beyond our influence .

No it isn't. Your MP needs to know how you feel about Brexit. Tell her/him.

From next week we will have
An unelectable Prime Minister who campaigned for Leave despite not wanting it
up against
an unelectable Leader of the opposition who did not campaign for anything but wanted Leave

If we do not tell our MPs what we want in light of all current information,
we are all negligent
because the default is "no deal"

I though you all emailed your MP's to agree to WA...
I feel that you are not being heard

At least I can look myself in the mirror and say I tried to make this less shitty.
I'm a prepper with the right to an EU passport courtesy of my immigrant Mum, so , tbh, I don't give a shit about how much everyone else suffers. But at least I am trying to make it less shitty.

The WA agreement in Brussels is dead.
As far as the UK Parliament are concerned yes - at least to date - but until we leave without signing it, it is not 'dead' as far as the EU are concerned.

If we leave without signing it then yes:

Anything sorted now will not be a carbon copy of the one in Brussels, but something different ...

However the EU have said that if, after that, we want to negotiate a trade deal with them, then we will have to sign up to a backstop, paying our debts and citizens rights. That is all before we even sit at the table and begin the 5-7year negotiation. Leaving without signing the WA is not 'delivering brexit' (though it would breach the 2017 tory manifesto that committed to an orderly exit.)

[If anyone thinks we will be better off without some kind of trade deal with the EU then it is correct to call them ignorant, dim, compare to short planks, bricks etc and yes stupid.]

Since the WA is essentially a list of the treaties between the UK and EU it will never be 'dead'. Whether all of the treaties are 'cancelled' (hard Brexit) or some are retained (see the staircase chard to a hint at some options) the degree of separation between the UK and EU can be negotiated, which is the purpose of the PD which defines where on the staircase chart (or a customised version of an existing trade deal) the UK wants to be.
If you think of the WA as being a recipe book, and the PD defines how many cakes, what type of cakes, and when they will be made.
It has taken 3 years and the UK hasn't even decided the recipes, never mind anything else.