All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

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Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

Vince Cable is no longer part of the Government. The Tories are, it's up to them to deliver.

Vince Cable in his more than two year old article actually said something more nuanced. He didn't see why there shouldn't be some control but if this was wholly incompatible then we should remain in the customs union. Of course what isn't said here is that Tony Blair made a complete mess and didn't use the controls he had to limit E European immigration as the other countries did.

It has been such a nice excuse for them - blame immigrants.

Cut and paste all you like Clavinova to try to put a gloss on it. I watched the Newsnight interview - I heard him say it. I recall Evan Davis' utter exasperation with him.

You might recall that a commitment to the Single Market was in the 2015 Conservative Manifesto. Now I know that a Manifesto is a sales pitch and it's Caveat Emptor, but I am tired of Leavers trying to rewrite history.

This is interesting - just looked to see who the chief executive of Ofcom is - Sharon White - she is married to Robert Chote - the chairman of the Office of Budget Responsibility - and co-signature to the dire economic warnings a few days ago - they must have interesting discussions over dinner.

Vince Cable again 2016 -

"Vince Cable has admitted that the principle of free movement is not "defensible" because it treats Europeans more favorably those from around the world who have "more in common" with Britain."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/09/vince-cable-admits-principle-of-free-movement-is-no-longer-defen/

Clavinova Given that Sharon White was second permanent secretary at the Treasury before joining Ofcom, I’m sure she’ll have more than a passing acquaintance with economics.

In other news, bears do shit in the woods.

For many years we were outside of the Common Market, we did not prosper, in fact the opposite, so we do know what happens when not part of the worlds largest FTA.

We then joined the EEC/CM, M.Thatcher took it further with an integrated SM, as a country we prospered, rising to the 5th richest country in the world.

Now the UK decided to reduce taxes and not invest in our infrastructure, it also decided to focus on service instead of manufacturing, this had some fairly drastic impacts on the regions of the UK.... but it ain't the EU's fault.

As i understand it almost all the brexitiers want a deal with the EU, why? because even they know a no-deal will be bad for us, not them.

The EU is a 'rules based' entity, it has to be as it is dealing across many sovereign countries.
The procedure for departure from the EU is simple:
The departing country and the EU negotiating team sit down and draw up a 'Withdrawal Agreement' which outlines the legislation that binds the departing country with the EU. This does not set ant tariffs or timescales, but just a definition, of what legislation will change.
Then the departing country instigates Article 50, indicating it wishes to leave. At that point, the negotiators thrash out which legislation is to be changed, and a timetable of when it might happen (The Political Document). This was set at 2 years to move things along.

The UK, thinking it is 'special' and 'unicorny' has failed spectacularly to get to the first hurdle because it can't agree with itself as to what it wants.Meanwhile the EU has been waiting relatively patiently for 3 years while the UK plays with itself.

I respect these people for admitting they made a mistake.I don't respect the ones who stubbornly insist that they stand by their vote.

Hardly anyone appears to have changed their mind about their vote. In fact, I've heard quite a few people (on the radio, QT etc.) say they voted Remain but would vote Leave in a second referendum to respect the result of the first.

As for mucking up people's lives - one look at Jeremy Corbyn's manifesto suggestions has me running for the hills.

Corbyn is a twat. Your point?

But lots of people who do and can understand all the risks feel we can leave and prosper....so they must know something you don't.

Who? There are hardly lots of them, are there? Even the most ardent Brexiteers are no longer claiming this.

We had vote...
20 don't vote.
6 told you they would vote no. but never voted.
48 vote no
52 vote yes...
Yes wins.....
What do you think about the 6 who could swung it?

Yes because Corbyn and Labour's manifesto pledges don't work anywhere else, whoops, actually they do in every other major OECD country apart from the US.

Oh and that Hannan thing? its bollocks, so an Oxford educated MEP who has campaigned for brexit for years got very specific economic terminology wrong? In fact so wrong that he both misused the terminology whilst at the same time saying the same thing?

If we leave the EU were are excluded from the "free market" because our access is restricted by tariffs and ntbs.

{But lots of people who do and can understand all the risks feel we can leave and prosper.}

If there was a new continent that hadn't been discovered and exploited, maybe like Australia 300+ years ago, where the UK could rush in and import it's brilliance in engineering and possibly dominate, then yes it might have been possible.
The bad news is that most places on the globe have been 'discovered' explored and often pillaged, so that 'plan' won't work.
The worse news is that since the UK went and pillaged last time around, there will be even more resistance now.
If you go into work and smack your boss in the face, your next pay review may not be that generous.

OK so Vince Cable would prefer to have more links with the Commonwealth. There was absolutely no reason why we couldn't have done so. Whether all Leavers would go along with his statement that we have more in common with people from India is debatable - a significant number of Leavers - your UKIP tendency - would hope that the ones already here would be rounded up and sent home. But did he say that actually? It's the Torygraph when all is said and done, which will have put its own spin on.

Theresa May, who is still PM, clearly didn't agree with him because she was happy to boot out Commonwealth citizens, as the Windrush scandal has shown.

Personally I found a lot of good in Corbyn's last manifesto, and I doubt whether a Labour led Government could do any worse than the clowns already in Government.

Corbyn is a twat.Your point.

If 52% of the electorate vote for Labour in the next general election, their policies will cost my family far more than the worst case scenario deficit for every household with Brexit.

Utter drivel Clav.

And you think I support Corbyn?
And you think Labour would win an outright majority if there were a GE? 😂😂😂😂

You could start to apologise to the people whose lives you are buggering up.

Wtaf 😂😂

Apologise for exercising one's freedom to vote in a democracy?!

Actual lol

Whether all Leavers would go along with his statement that we have more in common with people from India is debatable

I have no objections - my dc attend schools with 10-15% of pupils from Indian heritage - their parents are all doctors and lawyers - they have quite a lot in common with me.

8th July Boris Johnson pledges 'new and improved' trade ties with India as UK PM

www.livemint.com/news/india/boris-johnson-pledges-new-and-improved-trade-ties-with-india-as-uk-pm-1562590659473.html

Oh and that Hannan thing?
At the time Hannan was but repeating a Manifesto pledge. He didn't know that May would bend over backwards to appease the ERG. Who are now not satisfied and have destroyed her PMship. I would hope they would do the same to Johnson, but I suspect not - he's an old Etonian, so he's one of the chaps and they will stick by him.

Sharon White has left OFCOM.
She is the new head of John Lewis.

Sharon White has left OFCOM. She is the new head of John Lewis.
I did read she had been appointed - has she started yet?

If 52% of the electorate vote for Labour in the next general election, their policies will cost my family far more than the worst case scenario deficit for every household with Brexit.

Ain't life a bitch? That's democracy for you. But still, you would have another vote in five years time, or earlier and you could work to get that changed.

I have no objections - my dc attend schools with 10-15% of pupils from Indian heritage - their parents are all doctors and lawyers - they have quite a lot in common with me.

And you speak for the 17 million Leavers, do you? I bet a significant number, as I said, the UKIP tendency, will not agree with you.

8th July Boris Johnson pledges 'new and improved' trade ties with India as UK PM

Yes, he's already had one go - going to India with great fanfare and slinking back with nothing because of one word. Visas.

No, she starts in the new year
but she is one of the most capable brains around
maybe she and her hubby should be put in charge of the Brexit talks

Sharon White's parents were Windrush era immigrants - I suspect she has her own views about the visa rules for the UK