Westministenders: EARRRTHHHHHQQQUUUAAKKKKEEEE

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Well.

Thats a surprise!

I'm just not seeing the remain majority, why are there so many 'good news' posts from remainers? it seems like Garage's club plus UKIP saggy leftovers plus the Tories make quite a significant leave marker? or is it good news just because it's only 38% of the electorate?

I'm trying to be positive, I really am not just wish we had put plans into place 3 years ago and left.

I'm frightened for my children.

You lot are deluded I’m afraid.

From the Guardian: “Farage’s success campaigning in favour of a no-deal Brexit is likely to push the Conservative leadership candidates into hardline positions on leaving the EU.”

We’re screwed.

Not sure about deluded.

That's pretty much what I've concluded from those results.

Don’t have time to read the thread but delighted at the London swing to LD. Massive swing to LD in my borough - over 20,000 votes ahead of Labour, over 26,000 ahead of Tories.

That's pretty much what I've concluded from those results.

But anyone who is painting the results as a success for remain is just delusional. Let’s face it - Farage and the “hard Brexit” cause have won. As I said, we’re screwed.

Of course Farage’s success will push the crazy Tories further right. But the Brexit party currently has no MPs, and there’s no majority in the HoC for No Deal.

If we end up with Boris as PM shouting No Deal, moderate Tories such as Grieve are prepared to bring down their own government to stop it.

The real crunch will be at the next election to see how many MPs the BP vote produces.

Well the good news is that if the UK leaves then all of tonight's flurry of excitement is wasted as none of the candidates will be taking seats in Brussels.

PMK. How is 32% of the vote a win?

As an aside - was anyone else surprised by pics of the Brexit Party meetings - the sheer volume of supporters with white hair.

I know the Brexit vote is strongly linked to the 60+ bracket, but they were like OAP conventions.

But anyone who is painting the results as a success for remain is just delusional. Let’s face it - Farage and the “hard Brexit” cause have won. As I said, we’re screwed.

No, you're being too simplistic here. You have to look at the swing to the remain parties and the collapse of the Cons and Labour.

And it's not 34.9% of the electorate voting for hard Brexit; it's 34.9% of the people who bothered to vote, so about 40% of the electorate. That's actually 14% of the electorate. That isn't a landslide for Farage and nowhere near the 17.4m leave voters.

I But anyone who is painting the results as a success for remain is just delusional. Let’s face it - Farage and the “hard Brexit” cause have won. As I said, we’re screwed^

But remain parties got a larger proportion of the vote

I didn’t think you were advocating Leave, lonely!

Not deluded: totally accept that that is what the Conservatives will do/how they will spin it

But what we are saying is that at least the majority of the (voting) public are not in favour of No Deal and have voted for Remain parties.

Incidentally, the BBC R5 News has just pointed out that there are more Tory Leadership candidates than there are Conservative MEPs

I suppose all this makes a general election less likely. Plus Jeremy Corbyn is going to want to keep his seat. Maybe Labour will change their position to take some of the Lib Dem votes.

Five it’s not. Just more uncertainty. All whilst the Tory Party hold a ‘beauty pageant’ and Labour Party shuffle uncomfortably from one foot to the other.

From the Guardian: “Farage’s success campaigning in favour of a no-deal Brexit is likely to push the Conservative leadership candidates into hardline positions on leaving the EU.”

That's hardly news. And the contact with the reality of the EU and of parliamentary arithmetic will be just as brutal.

I think the far bigger story of last night is what this does to the Labour Party. The fence has collapsed beneath them and they have the world's largest splinter somewhere very uncomfortable.

I think this shows the death of the middle ground. The country is split between wanted to stay in the EU and wanting to leave with no deal.
I really hope someone is able to convince Corbyn to piss off. Even if he goes hard Remain (is there such a thing as hard Remain) he’s tarnished and unelectable

Agree. Corbyn has to go.

I am thinking that from an European perspective, if the UK does not leave then a bit over half of the UK MEPs are likely to be shitstirers.
The good news could be that if they have an attendance record and attitude like Farage, who cares?

I think 'hard' remain is simply adopting the 'Bollocks to Brexit'-type message.

I suppose all this makes a general election less likely

A GE is no less likely, just that Corbyn may not be quite as enthusiastic about having one, but a GE isn’t in his gift (otherwise we’d have had one long ago!)

It will come when the new Tory PM pursues a no deal Brexit once any doomed attempt to renegotiate a fantasy exit deal flounder... Enough sane Tory MPs (and there are more than enough) stop this by bringing down the Government in a vote of no-confidence.

You lot are deluded I’m afraid.

From the Guardian: “Farage’s success campaigning in favour of a no-deal Brexit is likely to push the Conservative leadership candidates into hardline positions on leaving the EU.”

We’re screwed.

You think I wasn't at that conclusion weeks ago?! It was obvious before the local elections that was the case. This election doesn't change that position.

What it does prove is the Tories can't win a general election. And it also proves is that Corbyn is a fuckwit who does not have a clue and is totally detached from Labour heartlands. They just don't get it.

How any Tory leader is going to move forward is beyond me.

They will struggle to pass a Queen's Speech.

And no deal will be accidental no deal and quite possibly will trigger a GE.

November / December is going to be fun.

But we knew that already.

The election result does send a message to the EU though... We aren't total dickheads. That alone is important.

In reality though the result shows inequality very starkly. You could guess how the vote was going to go by the affluence of an area. It really shows up the problem being austerity. Not the EU. It's thoroughly depressing.

I think the far bigger story of last night is what this does to the Labour Party. The fence has collapsed beneath them and they have the world's largest splinter somewhere very uncomfortable.

Totally agree.... the Tories are at least facing their divisions. Corbyn must go, even if he has a belated conversion to a second referendum. No will believe he’s doing it with a shred of sincerity and Labour will continue to be punished as a result.

I suppose all this makes a general election less likely.

I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion!!!