Westministenders: EARRRTHHHHHQQQUUUAAKKKKEEEE

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Well.

Thats a surprise!

"Umm but the greens are chiefly about environmental bollocks, why are you counting their votes as remain, they will ve both"

Not really following this, then

Pmk

17 pages already? Since midnight? You’re either mad or caffeine/jelly baby/stimulant of choice powered!

Hamfisted PMK...

Remain 40%

Leave 34%

Now all that needs to be done is for remain to get it’s act together.

But heartening nevertheless.

Surely that should temper the Shitters in our area when they look at those results. Assuming they can count

They can't. Or, if they can, they'll somehow get another message from it.

This makes me happy this morning!

Oh, and the fact that Tommy Robinson lost his deposit

Morning.
Glad my tactical voting kept the Tories out of the east mids :)
Interesting results!

Urggghh. The Telegraph is spinning it as a failure for remain parties as they didn't get seats in all areas. Shit journalism.

Not a surprise though?....

BIG losers are CON & LAB

LAB came 2nd in Islington, in Corbyn's constituency with 28.5%.
CON came 3rd in the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead - part of May's constituency - with 13.4%

Beeb summed up:

"The big picture story is we are becoming an increasingly divided country between those who back no deal it seems
and those who want another referendum.

"The middle ground is simply disappearing.
The scope for compromise seems to be crumbling."

Looking at other threads, the spin strategy for Leave is clearly to attempt to argue that votes for Remain parties had nothing to do with Remain - very concerted effort to say that Green votes are ambiguous and I’ve also seen an argument that Change UK aren’t explicitly Remain as well...!

No, @Iambuffy, but infuriating! I detest spin.

Really pleased my LD vote in Scotland seems to have been worth it. A much better result than anticipated. Wish the headlines were "remain parties top polls" though. 5-6 clear percentage points over turquoise and purple. Does anyone have absolute numbers? I can only see seats and percentages on the sites I quickly checked. My feeling is that that matters more in terms of a GE or PV, since that's going to tell us the hard core no deal support.

captain I know one popped up on here last night.

With a leave vote of 17.4 he managed to attract what less than a third of it.

He will never admit it but he will be disappointed with that,

From the Guardian. Leave have more seats
The results so far show that the hard Brexit vote totalled 34.9% – with the Brexit party on 31.6% and Ukip on 3.3%. The overall total for pro-leave parties was up at 44% including the Conservatives on a historically low 9.1%.

The pro-remain vote added up to 40.3% – with the Lib Dems on 20.3%, the Greens on 12.1%, the SNP on 3.5%, Change UK on 3.4% and Plaid Cymru on 1%. Labour, which tried to appeal to both sides with a soft Brexit pitch or a possible confirmatory referendum, was on 14.1%

Well that could have been much worse to wake up to. Know it will be spun as a triumph for the rebadged purples who are now turquoise but actually the results build on the strong remain votes seen at local elections.

The quote from the Beeb about no middle ground does sum it up and LK about clarity. Corbyn needs to act now. Ideally he’d go but won’t hold my breath on that one. Playing both sides of the game needs to stop now though. It’s all an almighty mess that never improves. People will continue to become more entrenched as time goes on.

Hope that if it does end up being an election that the results of this will make Remain get their game together and we would see a Remain Alliance with collaboration and careful coordination of the candidates across the country.

Just dont see how a country so divided can work.

The EU should close the door :(

Heartbreaking.

Morning quick question for any politics nerds and or Labour Party Union bods.

Why does Len Mcluskey support a Brexit that seems at odds with all other unions and seem to on the face of it cause the most harm to his union members ? Does he expect JC to nationalise everything??

There is no longer a mandate for leave.

Or no deal.

But neither is there one for PVor revoke.

Stagnation is never good.

pmk

Iambuffy I know 3 years on more divided than ever.

Dunno what to suggest take the two extremes away then try and coalesce with somewhere in the middle ?

Then nobody wins and we become united in our mutual unhappiness?

Spin #1: Combined hard and soft Brexit got a majority so we should leave, without a deal if that’s the case
Spin #2: Combined soft Brexit and Remain got a majority so we should Remain unless someone (???) can negotiate a decent withdrawal agreement

#1 is socially, politically and economic damaging, so any sensible person would choose 2. But unfortunately we are not in the hands of sensible people.

I don't know why my phone posted that so early. I was going to say :

1. Leave is now no longer " 80% " of the electorate..

2. The LibDems have finally left behind tuition fees.

1. The greens are gathering political momentum at last.

Trying to be positive.

But how so many people can't see past Faragism is frightening.