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Westminstenders: Lets get on with...

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2019 09:48

Admitting the mandate for leaving has expired.

The newspapers today are full of Talk of both Corbyn and May panicking that Brexit is destroying their parties, so after nearly 3 years of party politics they have decided that actually they can agree on something in the next week or so. Not because it's in the national interest but because they don't fancy mutual self assured destruction.

If they do manage to cobble something together then it with be rushed and shite.

If they don't they will be punished at the Euro elections by a Remain / Leave pincer action.

They can spin it all they like from their local election disaster that it was people wanting to get on with Brexit. It certainly does not change the reality that those people who were most likely to vote are fed up with the pair of them. And that there is a strong indication that the most motivated voters are remain leaning. Perhaps its true that leavers stayed home in protest. If they did, what will they do if the Brexit Party stand candidates at a general election? Maybe they will vote, but you can't argue that they view voting itself as an important act. Spoilt ballots were up, but not that up. If the pair do manage a deal, then we have Brexited which might satisfy some. The trouble is the underlying issues are not to do with the European Union. And even if we leave with a deal that does not resolve our future trading relationship. The poison that is Brexit won't end. And the voters will realise that soon enough. Leaving even with a deal will harm the economy, and that's only going to fuel discontent.

It's therefore hard to see where either party go from here. Not when they are effectively split internally. The poison is here to stay.

Spinning it as 'it shows the public want us to get on with Brexit' isn't going to help their cause with voters who still think leaving is a national disaster. Those voters will still think its a national disaster and will be even more pissed at being ignored and dismissed once again.

Where is the incentive to return to voting Labour or Conservative?

The Euro Elections, if they go ahead, will therefore be about one thing and one thing only: turnout. Even if the Brexit Party do relatively well, it will be about how many turnout in comparison to the locals and in comparison to the last EU elections. Whilst they might not admit the reality of things, ultimately all Labour and Conservatives really care about is securing the vote of people who will vote because voting intention doesn't win them seats if people don't turnout.

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Peregrina · 08/05/2019 13:29

A primary school with 261 pupils is huge for rural Oxfordshire!

Peregrina · 08/05/2019 13:33

Hearing Change UK, Lib Dems and Greens considering all backing the same independent Remain candidate in Peterborough

Wouldn't it be delicious if they won! How would Labour and the Tories spin that one?

Littlespaces · 08/05/2019 13:44

Unlikely as Peterborough was a heavily Leave voting place.

Peregrina · 08/05/2019 13:47

It is extremely unlikely I admit, but last Thursday's elections were taking place in shire counties which were predominantly leave. But OK there were no Brexit candidates standing, but UKIP made a poor showing in the seats they were contesting.

DGRossetti · 08/05/2019 13:52

Unlikely as Peterborough was a heavily Leave voting place.

Which may not translate into EuroVotes ...

I'm wondering if part of the Tory ansty pants over the EP elections is the very real possibility that they could clearly show a lessening of the leave vote. Maybe not the leave sentiment (since any twat on Facebook can become a commentator), but certainly the vote.

Which poses a philosophical question about the differences between a Labour support who doesn't vote and a Tory supporter who doesn't vote.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 08/05/2019 13:59

Sorry, haven’t read the whole thread but just wanted to post a couple of pics of my cats.

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PCPlumsTruncheon · 08/05/2019 14:02

Sorry, pics didn’t load. Will try again

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PCPlumsTruncheon · 08/05/2019 14:03

Sorry, they did post the first time

prettybird · 08/05/2019 14:05

Gorgeous cats! Smile

woman19 · 08/05/2019 14:05

What beauties PCPlumsTruncheon Your black one is so like mine. Smile

Littlespaces · 08/05/2019 14:13

Thanks for the info on teaching in Scotland.

DGRossetti · 08/05/2019 14:33

So here's another shit YouGov question ...

Do you think Britain should continue to have a monarchy in the future, or should it be replaced with an elected head of state?

Should continue to have a monarchy
Should have an elected head of state instead
Don't know

Notice the faux "choice". What do people (like me) reply when I know it's neither. Not "don't know" because I damn well do know. I'd like a democratically placed head of state, but not directly elected. (I'm also overlooking the rather loose use of "elected" in the question, after all, it's only the internet ....)

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DGRossetti · 08/05/2019 14:34

Thick and fast ....

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Peregrina · 08/05/2019 14:46

I had the same survey. I commented that it was an odd mish mash of questions, and we should have had ones about getting rid of the Tories altogether. I most certainly know which choice I want between May and Corbyn and that is none.

DGRossetti · 08/05/2019 14:50

I had the same survey. I commented that it was an odd mish mash of questions, and we should have had ones about getting rid of the Tories altogether.

There was a question about a General Election. And a slew of questions about things that might change the Brexit deadlock (I replied no to all).

Clearly a survey intended to support a decision that has already been taken.

QueenMabby · 08/05/2019 14:54

I had the same you gov survey. It also asked me if I knew how much I had weighed when I was born...... the randomness continues.

DGRossetti · 08/05/2019 14:59

It also asked me if I knew how much I had weighed when I was born...... the randomness continues.

I know they drop the odd random question in as an mechanism for determining survey accuracy. Basically to see who's paying attention.

There are a whole slither of "AI" companies out there plugging their services at health-checking data. They are invariably snake-oil salespeople.

prettybird · 08/05/2019 15:01

I can't remember the last time I had a "political" YouGov survey (in fact, I get fewer than a survey a week despite settings for "as many as possible") Hmm It may have something to do with my somewhat (Wink) definitive answers/opinions on who I voted for, my views on Indy/Brexit and whether I was likely to change my opinion! Grin

And given that most of their surveys only have c100 people from Scotland, so they don't need that many strong SNP voters.....

Plus I'm getting close to my £50 and the survey always seem to slow down then Hmm

DGRossetti · 08/05/2019 15:03

I can't remember the last time I had a "political" YouGov survey

Given how much they charge, it's a stark indication of the state of the parties finances.

prettybird · 08/05/2019 15:04

I have no idea how much I weighed when I was born - I'm not sure it is something my parents ever told me Confused

I can remember how much ds weighed though Grin

frumpety · 08/05/2019 15:06

Just received our EU election leaflet from the Brexit party. Lots of pictures of candidates, well 7, but strangely non of those 7 are the actual candidates for Yorkshire and Humberside, weird ?

frumpety · 08/05/2019 15:10

Mind you just had a quick look at the LibDems one that arrived yesterday and that also doesn't mention the candidates names for this area. Is this a thing ? Are they not allowed to name the candidates ? I was certain that they have already been chosen so not a secret ?

prettybird · 08/05/2019 15:17

Never let where candidates are actually stand get in the way of election literature. In the Scottish Parliament elections I got literature saying to vote for Ruth Davidson to stop Indyref2, even though she was standing neither as a constituency, nor a list MSP in my area (having been parachuted into a safer constituency on the East coast but still on that region's list, just in case ) Confused And in the council elections a year later, her face figured heavily in the literature, along with many references to "not voting for indyref2" and no actual mention of what they planned to achieve in the council elections Confused

...and the Conservatives are the ones that complain about the SNP being obsessed with Independence and not getting on with the "day job" Confused

DGRossetti · 08/05/2019 15:22

Never let where candidates are actually stand get in the way of election literature.

Hello Boris !

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