Westminstenders: Local Elections Madness

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This week has gone from banging your head against the wall to wanting to bang your head through it.

Labour have voted to support a 2nd ref as their EU election campaign strategy. Only for Corbyn to ignore it. And a row has broken out.

Change UK seem well on track to make everyone else look professional and to look as 'liberal elite' as humanly possible in a real life reverse paraody of themselves.

The Brexit Party is going from strength to strength with the most wtf candidates imaginable and Farage is happy cos his mate is coming to tea with the Queen.

The Liberal Democrats have decided that anti semitism is OK in an effort to keep Labour seats.

And the Conservatives. Where to start? Probably with the Tory Leadership Election infighting which looks suspiciously as if its now breached national security.

As for Brexit. No one really wants to talk about it. Local elections are next week. May is now apparently supporting the Malthouse Compromise. Be warned, it is difficult to see it as anything but a Trojan Horse for No Deal. Not that everyone has worked this out yet. But until we have the blood bath of the local elections over and done with on Thursday, don't expect much to happen.

Then expect the Tories to lose their minds...

I'm not explaining myself very well. I think that Olympics spirit has been irrevocably harnessed - and it's been harnessed the wrong way.

lonely the trouble with the Remain campaign is that it is hard to argue what protections EU offered us when people simply don't believe Tories/UKIP/Farage want to take funding away. That is how we ended up as "fearmongerers" rather than protectors.

It's like Farage asking everyone to vote for the mystery box again. Easy to win people over when you don't have to spell out what you will do...

Again, Frankie Boyles NWO threw up some interesting points. I liked the suggestion that in US schools, fairness in schools is considered more dangerous than guns.

This was after a clip where Fox News had to diss their own poll about how many Americans would happily increase taxes for people earning over $1,000,000. It was noted that this is what happens when you teach kids about equality - they start believing in it.

(The mist shocking - if true - statistic was that just 3 people in the US own more than the other 97%, if I heard it right ....)

I still think there's a lot of mileage in a campaign to deliberately lie to pollsters ....

My EP vote is still up for grabs if and when the day comes.

Well the local schoolkids here are learning about recycling. A whole coachload has spent the last hour learning about the way discarded 'stuff' is separated for reuse. Getting them to understand and join in while young is the thing.
There is also an EU 'directive' to try to ensure manufactured goods are repairable rather than disposable. It also covers the use of second hand parts for cars. I think it said that where possible suitable parts should be offered.

More Dilbert trolling ?

The current vogue for environmentalism is merely another product of consumerism. Mysteriously it will result in less choice, worse goods and services, and higher prices. Work out who really benefits from that.

Want to save the planet ? Stop having children. And if you don't like that, explain how we'll be feeding 10-15 billion humans in 20 years time.

Environmentally, the equivalent of "no deal", the cliff-edge, is a really nasty pandemic. Maybe even a variation of mumps, or measles (I'm sure God has a sense of humour) ?

So here's a thing.
dds postal poll card for the European elections has arrived here. She's has them sent here because that way if an election happens during uni holiday dates she can still vote.

It says that they will send her postal vote around May 10th and if she hasn't received it by May 17th to call them.

That is really tight. We will have to send it on to her the day it arrives so that she can if she chooses to vote in this region, vote and post it back to our local offices.

We are organised, she is organised. We should manage this as long as there are no post delays. BUT..... what about those who are overseas?
what about those who are on holiday? People will be disenfranchised by this, without a shadow of a doubt.

People will be disenfranchised by this, without a shadow of a doubt.

And ? So what ?

Not my view, but ultimately, like reversing the death penalty, disenfranchising someone is an action that cannot be reversed. It also has no merit in trying to claim damages because there is no value in a vote.

There have been quite a few cases where people have been unable to exercise their right to vote, and there's fuck all that can be done about it.

Sorry to harp on....but who the fucking hell can I vote for?

None of them speak for me.

If I was a man it would be easier....greens or lib dems yes I know a lot of men care about self id and womens rights but sadly none in the political parties seem to!

I simply cannot see labour coming our for a PV 2 says before local elections.

Which is a shame. It would be a massive vote winner imo.

Anyone heard anything from that remain voter website??

Lamb - remember we are better off working for change from within, just like with EU.

Until I came on here I had no idea LD or Greens had any particular Trans agenda. Whilst I am sure there has been the odd 'scandal' it isn't something that I feel dominates their policy making. I follow both parties on fb and the issues raised on this thread don't appear on fb at all for me. Likewise the single LD who voted for WA...it clearly isn't the party but individuals pushing these themes.

Consider a proxy vote. This is what has been sorted out for my family, some who are abroad at present and some not, but might have been.
You are basically too late now to sort out a proxy for next week's elections, but still have time for the EU elections.

There is something called an emergency proxy, but it really does seem to be for emergencies, like someone suddenly being incapacitated and not being able to get to the polling station.

In the local council elections I will vote labour. Our 2 labour councillors do a good job, and have been doing so for a number of years. I’m not risking a couple of numpty councillors being elected by worrying about whether voting labour in my ward will be seen as a vote for a pro-Brexit party.

I will not be voting labour in the higher profile mayoral election though. Because I’m scared it will be interpreted as endorsing a pro-Brexit party.

I don’t currently plan on voting labour in the European elections either. Given where I live, it looks like my best bet for a pro-remain vote is Green.

best bet is to vote for the Brexit Party - this will put an end to the spineless prevaricating, and give the weak willed May the push to finally Leave , as the PEOPLE VOTED FOR IN 2016!

You do you, @Micky665544 . Some of us give a shit about GFA. But why bother your dreams with that.

For dd it's fine. For those who live overseas and who have the right to vote here - it's absolutely not right. Think about all of those 'expats'. The timing is too tight. I'm astonished that people would be sanguine about it on this thread.

You are basically too late now to sort out a proxy for next week's elections.

The local elections are this week

You might still be able to arrange a proxy vote if one of these reasons applies (see picture).

Sorry to harp on....but who the fucking hell can I vote for?

You need a hierarchy of needs squared against importance and distance in time ...

Something I missed along the way here, is when candidates had to be a 100% fit for every single voter ? Ultimately the only person that can truly represent your views is .... yourself. Which means that if you can't be arsed to do it yourself, you have to accept a little bit of give and take. Which is why the Tories - despite being evil incarnate - have tended to do well up till now. They were able to offer a "broad church". (not so much these days ...).

Given how much all this gender business appears to have poisoned the political well, I'm wondering if it's actually some sort of plot by the extreme right wing to neutralise all opposition by getting it to squabble needlessly.

When you remove Tory and Labour from the choice, it seems you're left with Green, LDs and CUK. I'm dismissing CUK from the off, since I can't actually see what "Change" they are really on about.

That's leaves Greens and LDs. For EP I'm quite happy with either, really. Maybe sentiment for the LDs to redress the damage they suffered 2010-2015 will win the day.

It seems that fucking referendum has started to make people believe that they have to vote exactly as they think and that anything otherwise is somehow "losing" ?

How's the veg doing prettybird and everyone? My tomato plants are taking over, but it's too cold to put them outside yet.

I'm wondering if it's actually some sort of plot by the extreme right wing to neutralise all opposition by getting it to squabble needlessly
There's evidence of that DGR It worked well to divide the US left, and is working splendidly here too. Magdalen Berns posted a film about it ages ago.

I need to check the local lid dem...
They fielded a leaver in 2017

*Something I missed along the way here, is when candidates had to be a 100% fit for every single voter ? Ultimately the only person that can truly represent your views is .... yourself. Which means that if you can't be arsed to do it yourself, you have to accept a little bit of give and take. Which is why the Tories - despite being evil incarnate - have tended to do well up till now. They were able to offer a "broad church". (not so much these days ...).

Given how much all this gender business appears to have poisoned the political well, I'm wondering if it's actually some sort of plot by the extreme right wing to neutralise all opposition by getting it to squabble needlessly.*

This is a really excellent post.

While I have some sympathy for the feminists, their willingness to make allegiances with the far right and the nutters really makes me wonder whether there isn't some sort of fifth column entryism going on. The fawning over Caroline fucking Farrow on this site makes me puke. I was in a private group with her once and I could tell you some stories ...

While I have some sympathy for the feminists, their willingness to make allegiances with the far right and the nutters really makes me wonder whether there isn't some sort of fifth column entryism going on.

Back at Uni, when there was a massive bunfight between the Islamic society and the GaySoc (as was) I realised that the more lefty "lets all be nice to one another" dream was ripe for ass-fucking.

Found you all again.
PMK :)

Intermittent poster/name-changer here.
Apologies as haven't read entire thread but wanted to get two things off my chest.

1. UK infected blood scandal. Worth noting that France iirc got on top of the problem within two years, sacked the minister responsible and charged him with manslaughter (he was found guilty in court but didn't ultimately serve a sentence) and recognising the seriousness of the issue, lobbied the EU saying that EU-wide blood safety legislation was now necessary, which was duly proposed and ratified. And we are only now holding an official enquiry? And lots of papers and evidence are missing?

1. Sorry if this has already been said as infinitum. I don't understand the climate change protesters who dismiss Brexit as a less important issue. Given that China, America and others have to be on board to make significant global reductions in carbon emissions, surely the only sensible way ahead is through EU applying pressure in exchange with trade? (Or is this contentious? I know there have been issues with EU legislation and bio-fuel requirements leading to the destruction of forests. ) But to balance that, doesn't the collective might of the EU have real leverage in this regard? Shouldn't pragmatism win the day?