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Westminstenders: Local Elections Madness

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RedToothBrush · 27/04/2019 22:37

This week has gone from banging your head against the wall to wanting to bang your head through it.

Labour have voted to support a 2nd ref as their EU election campaign strategy. Only for Corbyn to ignore it. And a row has broken out.

Change UK seem well on track to make everyone else look professional and to look as 'liberal elite' as humanly possible in a real life reverse paraody of themselves.

The Brexit Party is going from strength to strength with the most wtf candidates imaginable and Farage is happy cos his mate is coming to tea with the Queen.

The Liberal Democrats have decided that anti semitism is OK in an effort to keep Labour seats.

And the Conservatives. Where to start? Probably with the Tory Leadership Election infighting which looks suspiciously as if its now breached national security.

As for Brexit. No one really wants to talk about it. Local elections are next week. May is now apparently supporting the Malthouse Compromise. Be warned, it is difficult to see it as anything but a Trojan Horse for No Deal. Not that everyone has worked this out yet. But until we have the blood bath of the local elections over and done with on Thursday, don't expect much to happen.

Then expect the Tories to lose their minds...

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DGRossetti · 02/05/2019 16:51

Populations in the rest of the world will go into active decline within the next 15 years no matter what the bosses do / want

One of the motivations behind eliminating any rights workers might have now, before it's too late.

Clearly some have been reading their history.

woodpigeons · 02/05/2019 16:57

Interesting. I don’t know what to think.

How ultra-remainers could score a spectacular own goal on Brexit

Nigel Farage’s Brexit party will reap the rewards if those demanding a second referendum at any cost punish Labour

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/01/remainers-own-goal-brexit-nigel-farage-brexit-party-second-referendum-labour?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

TalkinPaece · 02/05/2019 17:05

woodpigeons
What I think is that the Gruaniad would make much more profits if it gave less money to wazzocks like Owen Jones

DGRossetti · 02/05/2019 17:06

Nigel Farage’s Brexit party will reap the rewards if those demanding a second referendum at any cost punish Labour

So one the one side there's May trying to scaremonger support for the Tories, and on the other, Labour doing the same.

Doesn't seem either side has much respect for the electorate, and hopefully will reap the respect they deserve back.

bellinisurge · 02/05/2019 17:06

Two reasons I am not voting Labour locally. 1 - a local issue that Labour are on the wrong side of. 2. Jeremy Corbyn is the party leader.
I am old and a lifelong Labour voter.

LonelyTiredandLow · 02/05/2019 17:07

From my link below on ConHome by Joe Egerton (former Con Grin)

PART 1

"The problems that the Conservative campaign in Canterbury are currently encountering are not limited to the failure of the Conservative Party to deliver what it said it would in 2017. This would not really feature but for two factors. First, in 2017, the UKIP backed Brazier had repeatedly told hustings that the Conservative Party was the Party of Brexit, so unsurprisingly the Conservatives are suffering from the failure. Second, Greig Baker has used the twitter feed of the Association persistently to attack Theresa May’s deal, even on occasion associating himself with UKIP or ex UKIP MEPs. Unsurprisingly this idiocy has given considerably more prominence to the Brexit issue than it would otherwise have had.

The Conservatives locally are in serious trouble because of their own disastrously bad decisions. There is great hostility to what is known, in honour of the leader of the city council, as Cllr Cook's erection. This is a monstrous multi story carpark being erected at the West Station. It is aesthetically appalling and blocks a view of the cathedral. It is not properly configured for disabled users and will not have adequate electric charging points – the cost of retro fitting will be huge. The cancellation terms are a more closely guarded secret than the proceedings of the NSC. The only financial projection to have leaked is that it has a 15 year payback period to break even. So financially it is very high risk.

The Conservatives are also being blamed for investing in a shopping centre at a premium price. The collapse of retail property has generated an as yet uncrystallised capital loss of about £500 for every man, women and child in the authority’s area. There are emerging problems (again concealed) over rental income.

On top of this, the Conservatives propose to enlarge horizontally a park and ride carpark by the river Stour, wrecking a historic view and threatening wild life habitats restored by the effort of volunteers."
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Joe_Egerton · 6 days ago

PART 2

The Conservative record on social housing has been disastrous. They allowed themselves to be outbid for ex-army housing and have not built any social housing. Relations with East Kent housing are a disaster, with a Conservative council unable to get this organisation to tackle rat infestations.

Refuse collection is another scandal – the council recently had to pay £250K to Serco to adjust a contract that was inadequately drawn up in the first place. These people do not know what they are doing.

The Conservative Association is itself a scandal. It has had to resort to NDAs to prevent matters becoming public that would hugely embarrass the party. It holds meetings without minutes and Mr Baker instructs officers not to communicate with the elected executive. Those members who incur his and his wife’s displeasure – she is the agent and secretary – are removed from mailing lists and not invited to party events.

A very distinguished former Lord Mayor, George Metcalfe, was ruthlessly deselected for pressing for serious action to help those most in need. He is now standing as a Lib Dem candidate. I was expelled without being given any allegations let alone any invitation to put my case. Elected officers and executive members have categorically denied that they were consulted before this was done. A partial data disclosure shows Mrs Julie Isles of CCHQ conspiring with Mr Baker to achieve this, despite her stating categorically that I was supportive of “Mrs May” – perhaps significantly not “the Leader of the Party”. I understand that one reason for this was a concern that I would be difficult about Conservative KCC’s treatment of mentally ill teachers and its appointment of a person who propagated literature saying that gays should not be head teachers to investigate a head teacher who was gay. As a Catholic, I regard this as a straightforward piece of discrimination that is expressly prohibited in the Catechism

Following Nicky Morgan’s point that Conservatives should be careful not to say or do things that might incite violence against MPs, I should add that not only has there been tawdry abuse of Rosie Duffield from Conservative activists including MR Baker but the former MP is actively running a line that she is acting undemocratically against the people. Rosie Duffield was elected by a constituency that voted Remain (the district was narrowly leave) after making clear her position and after Brazier had repeatedly told hustings that the election was about Brexit. There is genuine concern about the effect of such abuse – when I have written in the Kentish Gazette condemning it and pointing out that Rosie Duffield is doing what she said she would despite the threats and obvious risks, I have been surprised by how may people have approached me to say they entirely agree. All have been shocked to hear that I have been expelled from the Conservative Party.

It is alarming that Mr Baker now says that the Association may select a candidate who - and I quote – “will be” on the approved list. This implies they have in mind selecting somebody who has not currently passed the vetting procedures. It would be a very serious matter if the Association were to select somebody who encouraged violence against an elected MP.

(In response to Mr Baker saying numbers are up in the thread comments section Joe Egerton replies: )
"Kentonline has a quote from you on membership

Mr Baker added that party membership locally had doubled but said he couldn’t reveal figures “due to data protection laws”.
www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/loca...
The claim that data protection laws prevent you from disclosing numbers is a ridiculous lie. You cannot reveal the names of members but you can reveal the total numbers.

I note that your wife now signs herself as "agent".

Clearly an independent audit of what is going on is needed."

woman19 · 02/05/2019 17:10

Interesting. I don’t know what to think
I do.
4 Labour voters lost to the party, in my house.
We don't vote for anti semitic brexists. Smile

bellinisurge · 02/05/2019 17:11

"Mr Baker added that party membership locally had doubled but said he couldn’t reveal figures “due to data protection laws”. "

Unless it's less than 5, that's bullshit.

While there will always be arguments on specific circumstances, 5 is generally the measure.

CardinalSin · 02/05/2019 17:11

Owen Jones - "Vote for Labour as we're not quite as bad as Nigel farage".

Maybe not overselling themselves there...

DGRossetti · 02/05/2019 17:14

I am old and a lifelong Labour voter.

So of little value to them, and taken for granted ?

TheElementsSong · 02/05/2019 17:14

This sums up what I think of Owen Jones’ little tantrum in the Guardian.

twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1123926345778716679?s=21

So people who want to stop Brexit should vote for a party that doesn't want to stop Brexit in order to stop another party that doesn't want to stop Brexit from winning a ballot.
And, while we're here, it's somehow our fault that we've run out of patience with Corbyn's cowardice.

1tisILeClerc · 02/05/2019 17:16

From the main section of that linked article I object to the use of 'upholding democracy' when it is quite obvious that the Leave campaign were tipped into winning by undemocratic and probably illegal electioneering (probably Russian funded SM messages) and that there has been no real attempt to investigate these matters. Had there been an investigation and proper process the 'great majority who want to leave' may not actually be the case.
I had 'peripheral dealings' with Conservative councils and there is certainly plenty of 'skullduggery' around. I would suspect there is in Labour too but I have not looked for or at it.

DGRossetti · 02/05/2019 17:18

at a glance, I read "mrjamesob" as "M R James" ... I guess I have horror on the mind.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 17:25

Anyone optimistically expecting to vote BREX today may not be in the USA, but merely a very low information voter, as we are reminded here:

Britain Elects Retweeted Mark Pack@markpack

Fun question from @spreadsheetben

  • wonder how many voters who follow news but not closely are expecting to vote for MEPs today? < Grin >
TalkinPaece · 02/05/2019 17:29

Well in three weeks they need to make sure that they get the referendum upheld by voting for
BOTH
Brexit and UKIP Grin

DGRossetti · 02/05/2019 17:30

Anyone optimistically expecting to vote BREX today may not be in the USA, but merely a very low information voter, as we are reminded here

You need to be careful of appearing sneery about "knowing stuff". The worst of all sins.

OublietteBravo · 02/05/2019 17:31

I’ve been and voted (for myself and as DHs proxy). It seemed quiet. But it’s possible people were just waiting for the rain shower to pass before venturing out. (And I’d usually wait until DH got home and vote a bit later in the evening).

DGRossetti · 02/05/2019 17:35

Anyone optimistically expecting to vote BREX today may not be in the USA, but merely a very low information voter, as we are reminded here

Also, I am sure that if Remainers had been much more aggressive and jumped on the extension and EU elections as evidence that the UK had "won" and forced the undemocratic EU to change their ways, we'd probably not be here now. That, blue passports and bent bananas. They'd have been happy.

1tisILeClerc · 02/05/2019 17:39

{But it’s possible people were just waiting for the rain shower to pass}
The EP have been waiting a while.

LonelyTiredandLow · 02/05/2019 17:55

Maybe the EP mantra is "this too shall pass" Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 18:11

DG "Knowing stuff"
I would struggle not to eyeroll if the "unknown stuff" is what election they are voting in - there is rather a big difference between the duties, powers and privileges of a local councillor and an MEP

But maybe my standards are too high

Whisky2014 · 02/05/2019 18:16

Hmm something but weird with alyn Smith. He posted a thread on Twitter about being careful where.you get your info from, not to engage in trolls etc. And then wingsoverscotland referenced alyns male partner who is basically a troll and alyn remains quiet on what his partner has been spouting on Twitter. This is the start of the thread, go read it yourself. Interesting!

Westminstenders: Local Elections Madness
BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 18:18

Losing 500 seats would be a good result fo May - we'll soon know

I'd forgotten Major's Meltdown in the 90s - his problems & mistakes were very minor compared to this govt !

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Today’s local elections: Tory chiefs hopes’ grow councillor losses will be stemmed to ‘only’ 500 because of electoral factors (not 1,000 predicted, or 2,000 from John Major’s 1995 meltdown)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8983903/local-elections-conservative-wipeout-brexit/

CCHQ insiders now say they can limit the losses to “around 500 to 600 on a good night”.

A Tory figure told The Sun: “The private estimate is our vote will be more resilient than is generally thought.

“Much of the voting is in rural areas, where Labour haven’t made many in-roads in the last few years. < true >

“The doorstep experience is also better than the national narrative.” < really ? Hmm >

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2019 18:22

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/woman-87-turned-away-voting-16217308
Woman, 87, turned away from voting because she had no photo ID

The voter was living in an area trailing a new system where photo ID has to be carried

This is part of a trial scheme.

Those in Braintree, Broxtowe, Craven, Derby, North Kesteven, Woking and Pendle have to show ID before they can vote.

The incident took place in Pendle and Pendle council has since confirmed the incident.

Pendle was one of two councils in today's pilot where polling stations would only accept photo ID. The other was Woking.

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