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Westminstenders: Local Elections Madness

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RedToothBrush · 27/04/2019 22:37

This week has gone from banging your head against the wall to wanting to bang your head through it.

Labour have voted to support a 2nd ref as their EU election campaign strategy. Only for Corbyn to ignore it. And a row has broken out.

Change UK seem well on track to make everyone else look professional and to look as 'liberal elite' as humanly possible in a real life reverse paraody of themselves.

The Brexit Party is going from strength to strength with the most wtf candidates imaginable and Farage is happy cos his mate is coming to tea with the Queen.

The Liberal Democrats have decided that anti semitism is OK in an effort to keep Labour seats.

And the Conservatives. Where to start? Probably with the Tory Leadership Election infighting which looks suspiciously as if its now breached national security.

As for Brexit. No one really wants to talk about it. Local elections are next week. May is now apparently supporting the Malthouse Compromise. Be warned, it is difficult to see it as anything but a Trojan Horse for No Deal. Not that everyone has worked this out yet. But until we have the blood bath of the local elections over and done with on Thursday, don't expect much to happen.

Then expect the Tories to lose their minds...

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lonelyplanetmum · 30/04/2019 13:01

Surely things aren’t that bad lonelyplanet.

Yes I'm exaggerating but once you start trying to circumvent Parliamentary process, have s govt that gets held in contempt, try and make decisions without Parliamentary process, have cabinet ministers who say agreements aren't binding etc etc ... you are starting down that road surely?

Micky665544 · 30/04/2019 13:04

Tom Watson should surely be sacked now

woman19 · 30/04/2019 13:05

@PippaCrerar
I'm hearing Tom Watson has "stormed out" of shadow cabinet meeting (still ongoing) after EU manifesto document was displayed on a big screen rather than hard copies. As he's on NEC he'll get one later, but Loto very sensitive about paper copies after gen election leak.

@tom_watson
I think you’ve had an inaccurate briefing. I politely asked if the shadow cabinet were going to see the draft words and was told “no”. So I left to walk to the NEC where the document will be available and the decision will be made.

@davidallengreen
For the government to insist that MPs commit to the deal, but without sight of the withdrawal agreement implementation bill, is irresponsible and wrong.

What is the nasty thing in the statutory woodshed which the government wants to hide?

you are starting down that road surely
Secret government and secret opposition.

woman19 · 30/04/2019 13:09

Nice picture of brave and stunning Seamus Milne making sure that Mr Starmer follows Our Glorious Leader's line when talking to Beth Rigby today. Marvellous.

Westminstenders: Local Elections Madness
BigChocFrenzy · 30/04/2019 13:13

tobe Just a quick look, but I can't trace UK European Union Party
Probably a v minor party, with no chance of a seat
Can't tell if they are left / right / centre

colouringinpro · 30/04/2019 13:13

hazard Flowers I'm in a similar situation with my very ds who is on his way to a and e with a for umpteenth time. He has a neurological disorder. NHS not really able to help. The impact of Brexit on the NHS makes me feel sick to my stomach.

Frankiestein402 · 30/04/2019 13:15

@jasjas1973 - nsa have backdoors into non-hauwei kit. I trust nsa to act on behalf of the US and US business. I trust hauwei to act on behalf of China and Chinese corps. (given hauwei's success in the mobile arena a secondary consideration will be the threat to apple)

I trust none of these actors to act on behalf of the UK and UK business - given that GCHQ say the risks can be managed then a hybrid procurement is optimal for UK security but obviously sub-optimal from a cost and capability perspective.
(unless you want to repeat the model of our 'independent' deterrent.)

BigChocFrenzy · 30/04/2019 13:17

I hold the Uk to a higher standard than Putin, Banda, Stalin, Hitler etc

Same as I'm not impressed on benefits threads by the argument that the UK poor are better off than African countries where children routinely starve to death and the average life expectancy is under 50

tobee · 30/04/2019 13:22

Thank you BigChoc.

Thanksto Hazard and colouringin.

tobee · 30/04/2019 13:26

And Thanksto other Westminsterenders in similar positions, made extra difficult and worrying by these times.

GeistohneGrenzen · 30/04/2019 13:26

DadDadDad
Have found very little myself - the whocanivotefor looked promising but seems short on info I wanted, anyway, except for the person mentioned below!

whocanivotefor.co.uk/
Enter postcode
See local/EU elections
See parties
See candidates
See info re candidates - keep scrolling - not much info for ones I checked except for Fiona Radic who is Green party in East of England and is positive about remaining in EU

e.g. "Fiona campaigned to remain in the EU during the referendum and stood for election to the European Parliament in 2014. “My family is international in its connections and outlook. The EU referendum was divisive and profoundly destructive. It caused alarm and dismay at a time of unprecedented international economic stress and political upheaval. I stand firmly with those whose rights and relationships - personal and business - are being overlooked by the state. We are not bargaining chips. It is one thing for the state to assert its right to govern itself (even if that right was never endangered). It is entirely another to put our current economic system at risk, and to threaten family life. If we are to leave the EU, let us be sure to make that a sensible and constructive process and make full use of Green Party thinking on local decision making and empowerment."

woodpigeons · 30/04/2019 13:28

Iambuffy HRT in any form gave me the most awful permanent PMT you can imagine x 100. I felt so angry and like murdering someone.
But without it I had the most embarrassing hot flushes, red face, sweat running down it causing sores on my neck.
Not a good look, especially when students keep asking if you are OK.
Lots of expensive alternative remedies did nothing.
My GP said she’d heard Prozac might help and it did. I wasn’t depressed so it wasn’t for that reason, but it practically stopped all the menopause symptoms.
As soon as I didn’t need it I stopped and was fine.

Violetparis · 30/04/2019 13:31

The latest YouGov polling is interesting on party/brexit recognition. 79% know The Brexit Party is pro Brexit and only 38% know Change UK is anti Brexit.

DadDadDad · 30/04/2019 13:38

GeistohneGrenzen - thanks! Will have a look when I have time.

Ellie56 · 30/04/2019 13:41

The latest YouGov polling is interesting on party/brexit recognition. 79% know The Brexit Party is pro Brexit and only 38% know Change UK is anti Brexit

Well maybe if they'd called themselves something more obvious like the Europe Party there wouldn't be this problem. Change UK is a diabolical name. Who the hell came up with that?

woodpigeons · 30/04/2019 13:42

lonelyplanet I had been thinking that our system of government, which was imposed on countries like Malawi and Zimbabwe, helped give rise to dictatorships.
Maybe because it doesn’t have a constitution. We didn’t need one as an Englishman’s word is his bond and our future leaders were born on the playing fields of Eton and all that crap.
It didn’t work for them and it isn’t working for us now. Too much room for manipulation.

tobee · 30/04/2019 13:48

If I'd only just heard of ChangeUK I'd think their name would indicate a totalitarian fringe party

DGRossetti · 30/04/2019 14:09

Maybe because it doesn’t have a constitution. We didn’t need one as an Englishman’s word is his bond and our future leaders were born on the playing fields of Eton and all that crap

Meanwhile, having a written constitution has fossilised the US' revolutionary fervour into their 2nd amendment ...

Ultimately, the reason England has no written constitution is because we are all subjects, not citizens - and yes, it makes a huge difference.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 30/04/2019 14:32

Flowers hazard and colouringin

Peregrina · 30/04/2019 14:37

Foreigners found themselves on the next plane home for reasons like not standing for the national anthem.

Deported for wearing a mini skirt was one I was told about.

borntobequiet · 30/04/2019 14:44

I don't think I'd function without HRT (oestrogen) gel. Unfortunately because they won't give me a hysterectomy even though I'm well over 60 I have to have the Mirena coil as well.

prettybird · 30/04/2019 14:47

I was about to take issue with your because we are all subjects, not citizens DGR - and then I saw that you'd specified England Grin

GaspodeWonderCat · 30/04/2019 15:00

tobee - found press release via Google

pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/97586/the-uk-european-union-party-ukeup-candidates/

The new UK European Union Party (UKEUP), campaigning to stop Brexit and the only party standing to revoke Article 50, has eight candidates standing in the May 23 European elections.

The party was founded by supporters of the People’s Vote March and signatories from the 6 million-strong petition to revoke Article 50. It is now campaigning in London, the South East and North West of England. The manifesto will be launched this forthcoming week.