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Westminstenders: Why the Irish Border isn't a Remain/EU Plot

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2019 10:10

I hope the events of this week give the ERG the kick up the backside over this that they need.

I doubt it will, but I live in hope. The alternative is too horrid to contemplate.

I'll leave this here instead as a reminder of what choice Brexit was always going to come down to.

Happy Easter everyone.

Westminstenders: Why the Irish Border isn't a Remain/EU Plot
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NoWordForFluffy · 23/04/2019 13:14

Genius reason. He appears to be carrying it on now though; you'd think he'd be tired of pretending now.

Peregrina · 23/04/2019 13:32

The mood of the Tory party hasn't changed - Boris will only change when that changes to Remain, if it ever does.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 23/04/2019 13:41

I'm sure I read/heard somewhere that Boris only went Leave to piss off DC

Wasn’t his plan to be face of the Leave campaign, which would lose by a narrow margin, allowing him to become the PM who had nobly attempted to deliver Brexit?

He certainly looked very down in the mouth the following morning.

yolofish · 23/04/2019 13:50

I really do feel sorry for the poor old Queen, having to put up with the Orange Oaf in early June. She's 93, I know she's entertained objectionable tyrants before, but the thought of him and Melania...

thethethethethe · 23/04/2019 13:50

They should formally disown Boris. If one of my DCs deliberately wrecked the country to further their own ambition for power, I would disown them. Publicly.

Peregrina · 23/04/2019 13:51

With Trump and the Climate Change people, there could be an interesting stand off.

May is still talking about getting her deal through. I hope note, I really want the EU elections to happen now.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 23/04/2019 14:06

Have i just read Rachel Johnson for Change UK

Yes. I applied to Renew, and then they threw in their lot with Change UK so I had to apply to them as well. They'd rather have Rachel Johnson to me :) Oh well.

ElenadeClermont · 23/04/2019 14:06

OMG, I hope that is not when DS's school trip is.

Iambuffy · 23/04/2019 14:38

Alright?

Still in a chocolate induced torpor but valiantly attempting to read the thread....

Now where did I put that lindor?

RedToothBrush · 23/04/2019 14:49

Well I've got a polling card for 23rd May....

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bellinisurge · 23/04/2019 14:51

Not got mine yet. Grin

NoWordForFluffy · 23/04/2019 15:13

I'd think we'd get one soon as they tell you when you'll get your postal vote so you know when it's failed to arrive.

HazardGhost · 23/04/2019 15:30

No westminsters for MEPs then? Sad

I was looking forward to voting for one of you.

MadAboutWands · 23/04/2019 15:46

PMK

DGRossetti · 23/04/2019 16:47

No, I don't know either ...

independencedaily.co.uk/have-we-already-left-the-eu

independencedaily.co.uk
Have we already left the EU? - Independence Daily
2-3 minutes

Leader of the English Democrats Party Robin Tilbrook has given us an update on the Judicial Review case the party is bringing in the High Court for a declaration that the UK left the EU on the expiry of our two-year notice period at 11.00 p.m. on the 29th March 2019.

He said:

We have now had the Government Legal Department’s standard operating procedure “Grounds of Resistance”.  As expected, these could be loosely translated in the language of the King James’ Bible as “Go forth and multiply!”

In fact I have instructed our highly capable barrister to draft a response and we shall be pressing the court for an early hearing date. We smell blood and we are closing in!

We have already raised over £100,000 which would usually be enough for an ordinary case, but this is a key constitutional case and so the bills will be huge.  If we compare it with the Gina Miller case, that cost a total of just over £1.2 million.  So, we do need to keep that figure in mind.

Also, people are asking how long the case will take.  In the Gina Miller case, I think that her case was issued in mid-August 2016.  The Government put in their “Grounds of Resistance” in early September and the case was heard in the High Court in mid-October.  The High Court Judgment was given in early November.

Our case will probably be dealt with on a similar timetable.  In any case we shall pursue the High Court for it to be dealt with as quickly as possible! So, now the ball is rolling we must keep up the pressure if we are to successfully defend the Brexit we VOTED for, LEAVE MEANS LEAVE!
Littlespaces · 23/04/2019 17:01

@SebastianEPayne

The South West is where all the action is going to be for the European Parliament elections:

- Rachel Johnson
- Sargon of Akkad
- Andrew Adonis
- Molly Scott Cato
- TBA: Brexit Party

I'm spoilt for choice.

DGRossetti · 23/04/2019 17:09

I'm spoilt for choice.

If you're a gambling sort, you could do worse than get odds on this:

In the event the EP elections do go ahead, then even if not a single vote is cast for a Leave candidate, there will be no mention of "100% of voters". Compare and contrast with "80% voted to leave".

DGRossetti · 23/04/2019 17:11

Maybe of interest. What happens when governments can't obey the laws they make. They have to pay a fucktonne in compensation ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/23/gsm_gateway_judicial_review_illegal_ban_method/

UK comms regulator Ofcom can't be ordered to ignore its legal duties, the High Court has ruled, paving the way for GSM gateway operators to claim compensation after Home Office ministers and mandarins destroyed their businesses.

(contd).

BigChocFrenzy · 23/04/2019 17:39

I hope this shooting incident is just a one-off:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/23/shots-fired-at-home-labour-councillor-sheffield

Police are investigating after shots were fired at the home of a Labour councillor in Sheffieldd*.

A police cordon remains in place outside the house belonging to Mohammad Maroof, who is standing for re-election in the Nether Edge and Sharrow ward on 2 May.

The shots were fired at a window and the front door in the early hours of Tuesday.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/04/2019 17:46

Another Tory MP who faked election expenses:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/23/tory-mp-chris-davies-fake-expenses-claim-brecon-radnorshire

The Conservative MP Christopher Davies has been found guilty of submitting fake expenses invoices for £700 of landscape photographs to decorate his office,
meaning he could be kicked out of parliament under the recall process.

< Have 10% of constituents ever bothered to do this ? Hmm Apathy is why crooked pols get away with it >

The MP for Brecon and Radnorshire was not jailed, but was fined £1,500 and given 50 hours of community service at Southwark crown court.
....
In sentencing the MP, Mr Justice Edis said:
“It seems shocking that when confronted with a simple accounting problem, you thought to forge documents.

That is an extraordinary thing for a man with your position and your background to do.”
< Nope, lying & fraud is instinct for the privileged who think they are above the law >

MockerstheFeManist · 23/04/2019 17:53

...Apparently he was only 51 and had never had to fill in an expenses claim before so got confused.

Meanwhile, the MotherFornicator of Parliaments is back. (Did I hear a faint moan at the back?)

DGRossetti · 23/04/2019 17:58

The Conservative MP Christopher Davies has been found guilty of submitting fake expenses

He should have waited until there were no barristers to prosecute. Then he'd have walked ...

Iambuffy · 23/04/2019 18:22

Got my ey election polling card last week...

Bearbehind · 23/04/2019 18:25

Wasn’t his plan to be face of the Leave campaign, which would lose by a narrow margin, allowing him to become the PM who had nobly attempted to deliver Brexit?

Absolutely. In fact that was how the Westminstenders threads came about; the first one started out about just that and then they morphed into this.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/04/2019 18:26

Time is running out for Tories who dread Boris Johnson as leader

Are there enough to stop him getting into the last 2?

Will the 1922 Committee change the rules to make it the last 4 who go to the party members ? - which makes PM Boris nearly inevitable

Indeed, after the expected disastrous local & EP elections, will they change to rules to allow an earlier challenge to May ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/23/conservative-party-tories-boris-johnson-leadership

Populists of both left and right feed off a sense that everything is broken, the old order collapsed and in need of overthrowing
the opposite, in many respects, of traditional conservatism
But a Conservative party close to imploding under the strain of Brexit < entirely self-inflicted problem > is not perhaps the conservative force it once was^

and Johnson clearly recognises that.

< he's a shameless opportunist, like almost all populist leaders, rather than someone who genuinely believes what he says >

Unlike Trump he is no political outsider, having spent most of his career squarely in the mainstream

< Boris has a brain & knowledge - when he bothers to use them.
So he is a far more inherently capable politician than Trump,
but shares the laziness & carelessness about facts & details, which make him less effective.
He is also flirting with the US fascist organiser Bannon, which would ramp up his media & social media support >

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