Westminstenders: Why the Irish Border isn't a Remain/EU Plot

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I hope the events of this week give the ERG the kick up the backside over this that they need.

I doubt it will, but I live in hope. The alternative is too horrid to contemplate.

I'll leave this here instead as a reminder of what choice Brexit was always going to come down to.

Happy Easter everyone.

I referenced this video on the new Westminsterenders thread.
It is worth a browse to get some idea of what things were like with peace declared but the consequences of massive upheaval.

It shows some of the hopelessness and lack of immediate direction caused by the war but strikingly that the UK, along with the allies recognised and dealt with some of the unintended consequences, something that with the current crop of politicians seems distinctly lacking. Even the recognition that despite obvious problems all should have sufficient food rations. They certainly won't going to get fat on 1000 to 1200 calories a day. Contrast with the UK now who are not at war but the government is content to have citizens go hungry and will deny reports rather than address the issue. 30 Million of the 70 Million Germans were 'displaced' at the end of conflict, that is half the population of the UK now. Where has the UK government gone so horribly wrong?

This was said about US politics at last night's WH Correspondents' Annual Dinner by the guest speaker biographer Ron Chernow.
But should also be referenced wrt UK politics.

“As we head into election season, I leave you with one last gem from [Mark] Twain: ‘Politicians and diapers must be changed often and for the same reason.’”

Never was a truer word spoken

and the Fixed Term Parliament Act hinders that.

I was against the FTPA from the start - the LDems put party ahead of country there

My point is more that everyone will ceremorate them still but he won't be arsed to turn up to ruin the photos.

I thought the FTPA was intended to counter short-termism and any PM’s ability to game the timing of elections, so well intended in addition to providing some protection for LDs in coalition. However the Law of Unintended Consequences was by then in full sway so it all backfired.

some of the checks can be done at warehouses and point of sale, as I've already mentioned

Big Choc Frenzy:

I see nothing wrong with 'draft dodging' re. Vietnam War

for this, Trump has done no wrong

meat, once chopped up , could already have come from anywhere!

so, again, a moot point

What matters is where it's sorted, packed up and processed - from this, the barcoding system comes into play

@Micky665544 which country do you live in?

does that have any relevance to the debate?

Yes. If you are a Trump fan in US, this has literally nothing to do with you. It's just like a game show.

Micky665544 is only here because Mini is busy this weekend.

because a 'Peoples Vote' is an attempted stitch up, to circumvent the first one - hence should be opposed

that was re: the Dawkins copy and paste job from some other poster

Le Clerc:

what qualifies someone as having a 'genuine' concern in Brexit then?

actually, that post was for Belinsurge

Someone who is directly affected by it.

ok, so are you saying that you shouldn't have been allowed to vote in the ref if you weren't directly affected by it?

You constructed that from what I said? If you are eligible to vote, then vote. But if you don't live in the UK or the EU, I don't see why you think you have a relevant point of view on here.

in your universe, how long is one allowed to leave the UK or EU for, and still have a 'relevant point of view'?

A UK citizen is entitled to vote for elections in the UK for 15 years.

Just as I don't live in the US but have family there and a fairly close interest in US politics my opinion obviously doesn't really matter about politics there because I don't live there.
Do you live in tbe UK or EU or not?

No answer?