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Westminstenders: Why the Irish Border isn't a Remain/EU Plot

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2019 10:10

I hope the events of this week give the ERG the kick up the backside over this that they need.

I doubt it will, but I live in hope. The alternative is too horrid to contemplate.

I'll leave this here instead as a reminder of what choice Brexit was always going to come down to.

Happy Easter everyone.

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1tisILeClerc · 20/04/2019 10:15

PMK, And also happy Easter.

prettybird · 20/04/2019 10:16

Getting in quickly with some regal cats luxuriating in the sun taking up a seat yesterday.

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NoWordForFluffy · 20/04/2019 10:21

Thanks, Red. PMK.

What I don't understand is how fervent leavers are so blind / deaf to the reality of what they want to achieve means. The murders of Lyra and Jo Cox are stark reminders of this, yet a certain section of society just don't care. What has gone wrong with humanity? I'm disgusted in some of my fellow humans, quite frankly.

LonelyTiredandLow · 20/04/2019 10:22

Thanks Red!

Remainers are so leaderless that even Lord Buckethead is receiving funding from Go Fund Me!

BestIsWest · 20/04/2019 10:41

Pmk

Whisky2014 · 20/04/2019 10:43

Pmk

IrenetheQuaint · 20/04/2019 10:48

I am so sad about Lyra McKee. And also sad that the suspects under arrest are 18 and 19 - born after the GFA but still brought up to wreak hate and violence.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/04/2019 11:18

Treasure these days while we can.

lonelyplanetmum · 20/04/2019 11:39

PMK

Yes everyone should reflect on the losses suffered by those wonderful women Jo Cox and Lyra McKee and the devastation on their families. Hopefully no- one considers that is with it.

Ellie56 · 20/04/2019 11:52

Agree it's so sad about Lyra McKee. A young life and so much talent lost for ever. What a tragedy. Sad

lonelyplanetmum · 20/04/2019 11:52

*worth it

ContinuityError · 20/04/2019 11:55

I hope the events of this week give the ERG the kick up the backside over this that they need.

Don’t bet on it, given the reporting on Pelosi meeting the ERG.

“Don’t condescend to me or to us,” sources said she told leading ERG member Mark Francois.

The Tory MPs had told the American delegation the concerns about the border had been “concocted” by Remainers.

(From the Huffington Post)

lonelyplanetmum · 20/04/2019 12:08

I'm sorry why was a prestigious international politician meeting the embarrassment that is Francois anyway?

He is not a cabinet member. He is one of the ring leaders of a single issue party within a party. Why is a cabal given international standing?

1tisILeClerc · 20/04/2019 12:10

{Why is a cabal given international standing?}
All part of the topsy turvey world of Brexit!

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2019 12:36

Pelosi had probably been asked to tell them some cold hard facts about passing the USA FTA they so desperately want

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2019 12:38

Thanks red 💐
A very sad theme for this thread

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2019 12:45

Westministenders Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

MockerstheFeManist · 20/04/2019 12:46

To be fair, inflcting Frawnswar on the Yanks is only karma for the ignorant crap British and southern Irish political figurs had to put up with down the years from the likes of Ricard Daley, Ed Koch and Peter King.

HazardGhost · 20/04/2019 12:59

Ta red

Not kept up this wk as I am blah of the blugh of the blah de blaah

Very sad about Lyra McKee Sad

jasjas1973 · 20/04/2019 13:20

Brexitiers are already saying the only people to blame for Lyra's murder are those that pulled the trigger..... and TM/JC will happily go along with that too, a real tragedy all round.

Despite the rhetoric, politicians are not interested in the GFA, just not to be seen to be blamed for its demise.

Peregrina · 20/04/2019 13:28

PMK

Icantreachthepretzels · 20/04/2019 13:31

I just looked at the MEPs by each English region and - apart from the southeast where there is both a green and a lib Dem - there are only two other green MEPs I can find (london and the southwest) and no other Lib Dems. There is therefore NO GODLY REASON they should run against each other in any region except the south east. I know it's too late to put together cross party lists but they need to divvy up the regions between them and only one stand in each. They should then campaign together - lending resources in the regions they're not standing in. It would be cheaper for them to do that as well! And they should give their team up a name like 'the remain umbrella' (lib dems should probably avoid the word 'coalition') so that it's understood that a vote for lib dems/green is a vote for the same thing - they're remain umbrella seats.

I am so worried about these EU elections. Between the de hondt system and the remain parties intransigence it seems that anything but the hardest of hard brexits is an inevitability - regardless of how many remainers go out and vote.

Thanks for the new thread Red

DGRossetti · 20/04/2019 13:35

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DGRossetti · 20/04/2019 13:36

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/richard-dawkins-nails-brexit-again/18/04/

Richard Dawkins nails Brexit, again |And argues for a Peoples Vote

Richard Dawkins has discredited the notion that Brexiteers are giving the “British people what they want” in a scathing tweet.

The evolutionary biologist and writer said: “Have you noticed how the very people who keep telling us what we want are the most reluctant to actually find out what we want.

“If they are so confident of what the British people want, why are they so terrified of a People’s Vote?”

It’s not the first time Dawkins has let his thoughts be known on Brexit.

A year after the referendum the author expressed his frustration with the idea that “the British people have spoken” on Brexit in a Newsnight address.

He said: “Constitutional amendments should be hard to achieve.

“In America, it takes a two thirds majority in both houses of Congress.”

And it’s easy to see why.

“Unlike ordinary lawmaking constitutional changes are for keeps.

“Voters are fickle, opinions change”.

Recent analysis of British Social Attitudes Survey respondents has suggested that Brexit has ceased to be the “will of the people”, with 55 per cent of Brits saying they would now vote Remain in a second referendum.

Just six per cent of respondents say they think the UK will secure a good Brexit deal – a massive reduction from the 33 per cent who were optimistic about the outcome of negotiations when the Article 50 process was triggered in March 2017.

The findings have prompted the centre’s senior research fellow Sir John Curtice to warn MPs discussing Brexit in Parliament that: “There is seemingly room for debate about whether leaving the EU is still the ‘will’ of a majority of voters in the UK.

“Perhaps the key message for the politicians as they decide what to do is that those on all sides of the argument might be best advised to show a degree of humility when claiming to know what voters really want.”

TatianaLarina · 20/04/2019 13:43

PMK Gin