Westminstenders: Compromise is a difficult word

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Today the HoC had a water leak. It closed the house for the day. This isn't without consequence; any hope for the opportunity of Indicative Votes on Monday had cold water poured on it.

Meanwhile talks between talks between May and Corbyn were about as productive as you'd imagine. But apparently they had nice tea and biscuits.

The Cooper Bill, the last minute lock on May getting a extension to prevent no deal, has been in the Lords today. I say it's been in the Lords but Tories have filibuster Ed on procedure for over 6 hours to prevent the chance of it passing the house. Tory whips are timetabled until 6am but the opposition benches have vowed to go to 7.30am. So far the votes to ruin the procedure have failed comfortably so the opposition have the number. Its just a question of time.

The trouble is with the Lords not sitting tomorrow that means the bill won't get passed until Monday and there are fears it won't get royal assent until Tuesday.

The bill doesn't prevent accidental no deal but it would be a barrier to May.

It therefore looks like May's gambit with the EU to get an extension is to say her plan is ongoing talks with Labour for a cross party solution. It won't wash.

No deal looks more and more likely.

For anyone doubting the credentials of The Ubiquitous Chip

www.ubiquitouschip.co.uk

You say you've never been. Pay a visit rather than looking at the website!

The leavers I talked to in the lead up to the referendum split into 3 roughly equal groups

1. Those who had concerns I could understand and agree to disagree with. e.g the ones who thought that the rise in populism and nationalism throughout Europe meant the EU would inevitably break up and it's better to get out early in an orderly manner. If you believe that then Brexuit makes sense.

2. The out and out racists. Sadly this includes my parents who want all the foreigners kicked out. That caused a major upset as that included my sons fiance.

3. Those who had ideas that were easily fact checkable but were resolute in sticking to them. Eg there was a proposal to build 3000 houses on a brownfield site near our village. It was rejected because it's 3 miles from the nearest already congested road. 1 person said they were voting leave because the EU were trying to force us to build on that site and it was green belt. 1 said they were voting leave because the EU had banned us from building on that site.

The only person in group 1 I'm still in touch with has changed his mind and thinks Brexit has made the EU more cohesive. Groups 2 & 3 seem more entrenched in their views than ever and are firmly in the EU is bullying us frame of mind.

Shmoople Did you not read the bit where I said I lived in the West End for 5 years and still take the DC there regularly. I pass the UC regularly and know plenty of people who do frequent it. It is just not "my thing" (which is why I referenced The Rogano which serves the same demographic but is more to my taste). Actually now I come to think of it as a student my big bro may have persuaded me to check out the Chip bar with him in my student days (he was running a London West End bar at the time and wanted to compare notes).

So yes I can confirm the UC has been in Ashton Lane as long as I can remember (+20 years). Sadly the student cafe opposite I used to frequent, for hot ribena and doughnuts, is long gone. Last I checked there was a fab wee sweetie shop selling spacedust and all sorts though. The Grosvenor Cinema is also still there - not sure if it still does student rates on Wednesday afternoons.

mother if it is a daytime family get together then the House for an Art Lover has a really nice private dining room at the back which even my discerning French MiL approves of.

No, didn't miss that just pointing out that for someone with such strong ideas about what the Chip is or isn't you'd also said you'd never actually been there. To me Rogano is a fancy pants restaurant and the Chip restaurant is too no doubt, but the pub and the restaurant are very separate things and when anyone I know says 'fancy going to the Chip?' they mean the pub. And that's how I interpreted the first poster's reference to it. Nice pub. Good staff, nice chips, very nice toilets, often a nice border collie to pet. Nothing posh or exclusive though.

howabout
Yes, the price is lower in Warsaw, but in terms of cost of living indices, pretty comparable
after all lettuce at Asda is 38% cheaper than lettuce at Waitrose

the underlying point remains that growers will sell to where they can get the best guaranteed price
after Brexit that may well not be the UK

Talk now you've got me back to thinking cabbages and peas. Last I checked none of my Polish friends were that fussed about lettuce. It certainly didn't feature on the menu when the Polish scouts were catering for my DD, even though it was Summer.

Ah, well I grow peas but not cabbages - kale takes up less space

I really don't get the downer attitude to the middle classes. Is this some kind of Quitling "one downmanship"?

From the time I've spent in India and Russia, it seems fairly obvious that their problems won't even begin to be solved until they have a substantial middle class, rather than just the extremes of wealth and poverty that the currently suffer from. The middle classes are massively important for a civilised society and a healthy economy. This dismissing of their views, as if they're only interested in their own well being and can't see how something so destructive to the economy is going to cause serious suffering to the poorest, is yet another attempt to dismiss a large part of the population's views in an attempt to make the leave argument seem somehow worthier. It is, frankly, disingenuous bullshit.

As a certified horticulturalist you are never going to be able to feed yourself unless you have a couple of acres, two gardeners, a small holding with animals that you as a smallholder take care of, a cook and some maids.

So stop now with the I can survive on my kale. It's not going to happen.

Cardinalsin I agree with you to a greater extent that the MC are being dismissed for disingenuous reasons within the context of Brexit and i would hazard guess that was created from the upper classes. British class system alive well.