Westminstenders: Compromise is a difficult word

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Today the HoC had a water leak. It closed the house for the day. This isn't without consequence; any hope for the opportunity of Indicative Votes on Monday had cold water poured on it.

Meanwhile talks between talks between May and Corbyn were about as productive as you'd imagine. But apparently they had nice tea and biscuits.

The Cooper Bill, the last minute lock on May getting a extension to prevent no deal, has been in the Lords today. I say it's been in the Lords but Tories have filibuster Ed on procedure for over 6 hours to prevent the chance of it passing the house. Tory whips are timetabled until 6am but the opposition benches have vowed to go to 7.30am. So far the votes to ruin the procedure have failed comfortably so the opposition have the number. Its just a question of time.

The trouble is with the Lords not sitting tomorrow that means the bill won't get passed until Monday and there are fears it won't get royal assent until Tuesday.

The bill doesn't prevent accidental no deal but it would be a barrier to May.

It therefore looks like May's gambit with the EU to get an extension is to say her plan is ongoing talks with Labour for a cross party solution. It won't wash.

No deal looks more and more likely.

What's the difference between the ICJ and the ICC? Isn't it the ICJ that the USA is refusing to approve a new judge for so that it's on the point if being not being quorate (or whatever the legal system equivalent is)?

Or am I getting all the initials confused?

Me too maud, me too.

havechildren
shall we discuss Louth

that little girl's letter...also sharing the love for Tusk.

Don't think anyone has posted this yet? Question Time in trouble with Leavers who think the change of venue shows bias despite programmers explaining the panel needed to be available to Westminster to work on Brexit . They are planning on going to Bolton at a later date.

I didn't watch the last one - they try my nerves when people just shout out idiotic ramblings and no one wants to make them look foolish, which perpetuates the idea idiots and idiocy should have a place at the top table. Am aware that sounds elitist remainer but it's like combining Sesame Street and University Challenge; painful.

Elliott Christensen@elliott_xtensen

If you're struggling to keep up with what's happening in #Brexit...you're not alone.

But @instituteforgov has put together what next week could look like.

• Blue boxes - definitely happening
• Pink boxes - possible events (there are a LOT of unknowns at this point!)

@Horehound - I think you need to reread - it (ie assent) has not been withheld since 1707. Assent has been given by the monarch on every bill since then. 1707 was the last time the monarch didn't give assent.

Okidokey folks, I'm finding this really interesting
as many of you know, I'm on absolute final warning from MNHQ for purportedly racist posts (their site, their call)
but its making me think really hard about how to be non goady but still turn the supertanker
and FLOWER is utterly and unbelievably correct

Head on will lead to a clash of antlers
shoulder nudges might work
the sands are falling but we have time ....

DH comes from the fens.
He says in the 50s gypsies (yes not pc but that’s what they called them then and maybe they were proper Romanies) and schoolchildren used to do a lot of the picking.

God I love Donald Tusk.

Can't remember if I saw it here or on twitter, that whilst JRM was cloistered away at Eton, Donald Tusk was undercover fighting against communist rule in Poland.

And he's from Gdansk like my DH!

EXCEPT all the leave voting areas have the least immigration.
Look at lincoln/boston/skegness/Cornwall/Wales....very low or no immigration.

Don't know anything about the other areas, but in DH's home town, Boston, where the leave vote was over 75%, there have been huge issues because of high immigration levels from Eastern Europe.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boston-how-a-lincolnshire-town-became-the-most-divided-place-in-england-a6838041.html

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037877/Boston-Lincolngrad-The-strange-transformation-sleepy-English-town.html

Ellie56 my DH is from Boston too but lived a rather peripatetic childhood moving around the fens as his father was continually searching for a better job.

pretty Very different functions:

ICC = International Criminal Court

• prosecutes individuals for genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity when the countries the individuals belong to are unable or unwilling to do so

Has prosecuted war criminals from many countries in e.g. the Balkans , Africa

The USA has always refused to recognis the court,
refuses to let them investigate alleged war crimes committed by any US military or intelligence personnel and has threatened to imprison any judge who tries any US personnel

ICJ = International Court of Justice, also know as the World Court

• settle legal disputes between countries, also gives advisory opinions for Un agencies

If the UK gets sued by the EU for failing to pay the exit bill, the case would probably end up here

The US uses this court too and has - so far - not threatened the judges

talkin urgh I've got shudders... Louth... Skegness... Spalding...
Even from the safety of pretty lever-ish Kent I'm feeling a little bit sick... 🤮

Dh, from Ireland, knows backwaters pretty well, lived in Galway and called it the graveyard of ambition, beautiful city but he just couldn't cope with Ireland... He gets it, when I say I don't ever want to go back, he feels the same about Ireland, although beautiful, he's lived in the middle of nowhere too and hates the small mindedness, but it's nothing on the scale compared to Lincolnshire...

I was so lucky to actually get out of our small market town/row of council houses in the middle of the fens.. pretty much everyone I went to school with was married, settled, had kids etc by their early 20s. None have left, I don't think.

Sorry, that sounds like having a family etc is bad, I don't mean that, but they just have never been anywhere. Some have never been to London, or any other city, I am sure of it. I'd guess and know, lots of them voted leave.

Boston is described as an "extreme" example

but also as having 13% of its population from the E27

and also to be "booming" with low unemployment and a diversified economy

Boston is described as an "extreme" example

with 13% of its population from the E27

and also to be "booming" with low unemployment and a diversified economy

Daniel Boffey@DanielBoffey

The impact of a Jacob Rees Mogg tweet is impressive.

Senior Eu officials referred to it today in meeting of 27 ambassadors: ‘This is what they are capable of’.

Children
Once you've done work in Spalding / Louth / Mabelthope
with a bit of Merthyr / Ebbw / Aberdare
and then Leitrim / Mohill
the London "bubble" is well and truly burst

I'm living in Cornwall. Not from here originally though. My take on Cornwall voting to leave is thus.

Cornwall is very isolated and any outsider is viewed with suspicion. I've lived here for 35 years, since I was a teenager, and there are some who genuinely believe that Cornwall should be Cornish and outsiders are not welcome. Tourists are known as 'emmits' and that's not a term of endearment, despite tourists being the biggest contributors to the local economy.

There are very low levels of permanent immigration to the region and, in particular very few BAME immigrants to the area. In my town, I genuinely don't think there are any people of colour at all. This lack of multi-culturalism coupled with a mistrust of outsiders certainly contributed to the strong leave vote here.

Generally, folk who have lived here all their lives looking at you,ILs have a very narrow view of the world. It's sad, because Cornwall has benefitted hugely from EU Objective One funding and many older, gammon locals are blind to how this has improved the resources they use and going forward, is not guaranteed to be replicated by the government after Brexit.

I moved to Louth when I was 16. I thought at the time my parents were punishing me, bringing me to a backwater. I used to say of the locals that they had the 'Innsmouth look'. A friend once told me that Louth was a place that time forgot and it was stuck in the 1950s, I thought that was generous and it was more 1850s than 1950s. And when the first opportunity arose, I ran for the Trent and kept on running.

I visited to see my parents. I moved from Manchester, to London, to Oxfordshire. Louth is simply unlike anywhere else I have lived, be it city, town, village or hamlet.

Two years ago I returned. An old friend asked me why I'd come back, thinking I was crazy to come back. I asked her if she'd lived anywhere else than Louth, she said no, and I said then you don't understand.

And yes, everyone calls you duck.

Perhaps its extremeness makes Boston a bad example, sorry!

Skegness is awful. Truly awful. So run down.

Our local community fb page is run by right wing leavers so....you can imagine 🙄😔🤬 one of them posts the most vile stuff about diane Abbott. I was banned for complaining about him 😁

The small mindedness is scary. The attitude that because "they" don't need a service or benefit, then no one should.

Baffling to me.

Nick Gutteridge@nick_gutteridge

By requesting a Brexit delay to June 30, a date she knows full well EU won't accept as she was told that in person just a few weeks ago,

May is basically once more asking EU27 leaders to make a decision for her on the length of an extension.

They're likely to go for about a year.

"SCHLONG Extension" is reportedly doing he rounds in Brussels "at the highest levels"

Adam Fleming@adamfleming

Brussels WhatsApp is alive with the sound of people coming up with alternatives to "flextension".

You can all stop now.

It's a combination of short and long, which means it's a SCHLONG EXTENSION.

Isn't that an americanism for penis???