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How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

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Bearbehind · 29/03/2019 20:53

So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

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Songsofexperience · 30/03/2019 20:44

We are just going to be totally autonomous that's it!!

We will be many things but autonomous? We can't unilaterally declare ourselves free from the globalised world of today. We are going to have to do trade deals, whuch come with negotiations and trade offs and it begs the question: if not with Europe then with whom?

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 20:45

Fabulously well reasoned argument there sillybilly 🤔

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Bornfreebutinchains · 30/03/2019 20:45

Quartz . How big is our economy compared to other EU countries. ...

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 20:46

Indeed songs

And based on how weak and untrustworthy we’ve shown ourselves to be in negiotiations, every other country is just going to ask us to bend over.........

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Quartz2208 · 30/03/2019 20:56

Bornfree I am not really sure what you asking - the EU is the second largest in the world and we are at the top.

Are you saying it will be better outside of the EU?

1tisILeClerc · 30/03/2019 21:01

{We are just going to be totally autonomous that's it!!}
Like in the film Pretty Woman, it's time for some serious 'sucking up'.
Out of the EU the choice will be Russia, China or the USA. Make your mind up.

{Quartz . How big is our economy compared to other EU countries. ...}

With the advantages of being in the EU, it was big.
Out of the EU the businesses that are leaving, and the trade tariffs will hit the UK hard. Making things will incur tariffs on imported materials, and then again when selling the goods outside the UK.

time4chocolate · 30/03/2019 21:01

every other country is just going to ask us to bend over....... 😂ok you’ve done it again.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 21:02

I thank you time 😂

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1tisILeClerc · 30/03/2019 21:04

GDP of the UK is about the same as France and a bit over half of Germany. The UK has been good at Finance and medical research, much of this is now about to move out as they need certifications within the EU.

Peregrina · 30/03/2019 21:07

Even the horrific world wars had some good come of them!

Yes, but bought at an extremely heavy price of millions killed, and many others with lives ruined. Can we not do better than this? I think the founding fathers of both the EU and those who negotiated the GFA were brave enough to ask this question. It took guts.

BertrandRussell · 30/03/2019 21:09

“We are just going to be totally autonomous that's it!!”

How? You do know that if we want to trade with EU countries we still have to adhere to EU regulations, don’t you?

1tisILeClerc · 30/03/2019 21:15

There is also the issue of food. The EU supplies nearly 40% of the food consumed in the UK.
I'm glad the UK government haven't been telling the EU to fuck off for the last 3 years....
Oh dear, what have the government and the 'leave' supporting press been saying?

Quartz2208 · 30/03/2019 21:20

Not only will we have to adhere the majority of them but a lot are now UK law so we would have to repeal them which would need a consensus in Parliament

Plus on mumsnet is clear that one of the most hated things is Universal Credit which has absolutely nothing to do with the EU

I do happen to think the EU has overstretched it initial mandate but we should have been tackling this from the inside

jasjas1973 · 30/03/2019 21:21

He's not politically educated 😂 he is educted but history, politics, socialism, Etc are not his thing

Nor yours either.

Anyone who thinks the Reformation was the 1st Brexit, is a half wit.

BertrandRussell · 30/03/2019 21:21

The whole transport thing scares me too- I live in Kent.

Bornfreebutinchains · 30/03/2019 21:22

Bertrand.

Are you really going to ask endless questions which people respond to in good faith but you ignore the answers?

It's just it gets very Boring...

BertrandRussell · 30/03/2019 21:24

I’ll keep asking questions until I get answers. How are we going to be autonomous if we still have to adhere to EU regulations?

Bornfreebutinchains · 30/03/2019 21:28

Oh ok.

It's just on every thread I've ever seen you on, you ask questions, and so many posters,myself included have carefully responded to your questions but I've noticed you don't respond. If you don't like the replies you ignore them.

That's fine it's just sometimes people have posted very personal raw responses to your questions... and then you've ignored them.

Bornfreebutinchains · 30/03/2019 21:33

Jas.
The point was ( answered in good faith too BR) that this really isn't as earth shattering as many other events in our history. It's huge to us as we are living through it and we haven't had any other big event's.

And that even as awful as the war was...even then something positive came from it. And no I'm not advocating wars.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 21:34

Another few squirrels then born 🤔

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Peregrina · 30/03/2019 21:40

A couple of years back on one of these threads we had people arguing about the Black Death. Yes eventually something good came of it in that so many people in Europe were killed by it, that it was literally the survival of the fittest, and it improved the stock of the population. I can't imagine for one moment that people living through those times felt anything but dread of what might happen.

BertrandRussell · 30/03/2019 21:40

“That's fine it's just sometimes people have posted very personal raw responses to your questions... and then you've ignored them.”

I don’t think I have- but you are welcome to your opinion.
Are you going to anawer my question about autonomy and EU regulations?

Quartz2208 · 30/03/2019 21:45

Whilst it isnt the most earth shattering event in history by any means it is likely to be the most history changing moment of a generation or two and at least for British history of the early 21st Century

I mean we still celebrate every year an unsuccessful plot to blow up Parliament over 400 years ago...

Lonelycrab · 30/03/2019 21:52

*American independence?Can you imagine how afraid royalists were. They never thought a ramshackle country could exist without a king. It's was Very scary radical blah blah blah

Sounds like rose tinted spectacles on crack tbh born free

I’d rather not play Russian roulette with the future of this country. Asking for a plan shouldn’t be too much to ask. This is just pot luck now where we end up, no amount of getting behind or believing in it will make a blind bit of difference. Businesses will leave, people made redundant and the country will become poorer for a great many years. There will be more aggression all round due to people getting poorer still, and the hard right element will get stronger in this country. That’s where I think this is leading and it sounds shit.

Coppersulphate · 30/03/2019 22:01

Bear, the goalposts have only moved in your imagination.
The result of the referendum was leave, so let's just do that shall we. Preferably with no deal and WTO rules.
Bear, we are not going to revoke so please stop shouting.