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Today's vote - when will we know the result?

262 replies

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 14:28

Just watching parliament and it's like some sort of circus. They're making a show of themselves.

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Redskyandrainbows67 · 29/03/2019 17:37

No deal is happening on 12th April and it will be disasterous.

If you don’t want that please stand up and be counted - do the online petitions, matches, write to your mp etc - whether you’d rather a second referendum or revoking article 50.

Good, quiet, educated people cannot put their heads in the sand any longer and hope this will all go away or get resolved nicely.DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. For the sake of your children and this country’s future.

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:38

I think you're naive. MPs whose constituents voted to Leave are resolute.

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TheWaiting · 29/03/2019 17:38

They will grant an extension if next week, parliament indicates a different approach. If they don’t, we’ll be down to the wire and I think (hope) this will end with Revoke rather than no deal.

LoudBatPerson · 29/03/2019 17:41

I think you're naive. MPs whose constituents voted to Leave are resolute.

But they are not all resolute at all, that is simply not true. The indictive votes showed quite a few MPs from leave constituencies did vote for options such as 2nd ref, and voted against No Deal.

TheWaiting · 29/03/2019 17:41

Yes, Laurie, that’s how I think it will go. I think we’ll revoke right at the end but to appease Brexiteers, it will be revoke with promise of a PV.

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:42

How blind are you? Revoke was defeated spectacularly!

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twofingerstoEverything · 29/03/2019 17:42

Fluffy - that requires a majority voting to revoke. In parliament. They've already voted on this just this week and rejected it!!!!! They are not going to suddenly change their minds!

I think 90% of you have your fingers in your ears going Lalalalalallaalala!!!!!

How can you not know what is going on???

Despite the massive amount of superfluous punctuation employed, stating something on the internet does not make it so. The votes this week were indicative votes, so nothing is set in stone. I think you have your fingers in your ears TBH.

Thinkinghappythoughts · 29/03/2019 17:44

Presumably there’s nothing to stop us evoking article 50 again after a revoke.

I suspect after this is over, the EU will be sorting out article 50 to prevent exactly that.

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:45

The statement that most articulates what I'm thinking myself is from the Irish PM

"It is not clear that the UK has fully understood that No Deal is not off the agenda. Rather, it’s a growing possibility."

It's almost as if they think that because they've voted against it, it can't happen. They don't appear to understand that A50 is now activated and about to go off!

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LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:46

Revoke was defeated spectacularly!

If you just keep saying it. Over and over again. It’ll make sure it never happens.

Grin Grin Grin

LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:48

The EU are playing games too whiskers. They’re acting tough to scare the UK.

You seem very naive about how all this works.

Thinkinghappythoughts · 29/03/2019 17:49

All of the statements you are posting show that as long as the UK comes up with a credible plan, they can prove backing for, the EU can work with us.

The UK has been reduced to the EU having to come up with the plans because TM is too incompetent. This leaving on april 12th or 22nd (?) May was the EU's intervention precisely because TM couldn't come up with ANYTHING. Now parliament is voting down every idea. Three years and this is the result. Does anyone realistically think that the UK can come up with a credible plan in a fortnight?!

BelindasRedPlasticHandcuffs · 29/03/2019 17:52

How blind are you? Revoke was defeated spectacularly!

Not as spectacularly as No Deal on 12th April...

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:53

Back to the bomb analogy.

A Brit set a ticking time-bomb. Everyone knows about it, but it had 2 and a half years before going off.

Britain then debates about whether the bomb should have been set, and in fact, what will happen if the bomb goes off and what will happen if it doesn't go off.
As it's a long time ago, they now appear to have forgotten that the bomb is still set and will actually go off.
At the 11th hour, they are sort of suggesting that if they talk to the bomb squad, perhaps that could stop it going off. But they don't really think the bomb will go off at all. Meanwhile tick-tock.......

So they vote on random things, like turning the bomb off and vote no. Could we ask the bomb squad to delay it? Bomb squad says yes and delays tick-tock for 2 weeks.
Now they vote again........ But they've forgotten about the bomb as surely the Bomb squad will rescue them and would never allow it to go off.......

They're taking a gamble.

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twofingerstoEverything · 29/03/2019 17:53

How blind are you?
Did you mean to be so rude?

Thinkinghappythoughts · 29/03/2019 17:55

The EU are playing games too whiskers. They’re acting tough to scare the UK.

That is the type of thinking that has gotten the UK into this situation. Wait until they blink. What happens though if they aren't playing games or don't blink?

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:57

That is the type of thinking that has gotten the UK into this situation. Wait until they blink. What happens though if they aren't playing games or don't blink?

100% ^^

The UK doesn't appear to be listening at all!!

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Redskyandrainbows67 · 29/03/2019 17:57

They will revoke over no deal for sure - because they know no deal will put peoples lives and livelihoods at risk

feesh · 29/03/2019 17:57

Whiskers you’re not making much sense. What do you think is going to happen? And what do you want to happen instead? Genuinely interested, not just being facetious.

LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:58

What happens though if they aren't playing games or don't blink?

Well it’s like a game of chicken. They may well blink last. Which is why a last minute revoke from the UK could well happen (and the EY will be trying to gauge the likelihood of that happening right now).

feesh · 29/03/2019 17:59

It won’t come down to revoke vs no deal. Something will happen on Monday with the indicative votes (most likely approval of the customs union). The EU will be happy with that and the UK will have to go along with it because, well, nobody in Westminster wants to face the other options,

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:59

Yes, nothing seems to make sense to the British these days! I'm not at all surprised that you can't understand me.

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feesh · 29/03/2019 18:00

Which country are you from?

WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 18:01

I think you're wrong if you think the customs union will pass.

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Bluntness100 · 29/03/2019 18:01

Some misinformation on here.

We will not revoke, not now anyway, and we will not crash out with no deal.

Parliament will come to a consensus on why it needs an extension, and yes it will go down to thr last minute, likely the tenth of april, and it will be likely for a general election, a leadership contest or a second referendum.

We will not crash out. Not simply because the prime minister her self voted against it, but because the house has at every opportunity. Oliver Letwin is now in control of parliamentary business effectively and they can simply propose legislation to force the prime minister to prevent it, and they can do it with a few hours notice, it won't be required though. They can even pass legislation to force her to accept any terms the eu insists on. That's what happens in a democracy when parliament takes control. And that's the situation we are now in.

So really we are looking at a lengthy extension, it's all about how long for now,,,and whatever reason we land on.

As to whether the eu will grant a lengthy extension, oh yes they will, that's what they wish, and they have already told us they will, if we tell them why, we simply have until the 12 April to do it, and they have set the summit for the tenth to review and discuss.

They don't want no deal any more than we do. Trust me on that. What we are now facing is a lengthy extension.