I want to leave the EU because....

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Personally I don’t but I have never heard a good reason to leave and I really want to, the mantra seems to be “we won so deal with it”
So if you are a leaver then please finish this sentence
I want to leave the EU because....

Thank you, those were my reasons for voting and to hear someone say tthey can understand them on MN, makes a nice change.

The fact that someone says they understand why you voted thus in the circumstances doesn’t make those reasons valid or true.

You have voted to become poorer. That’s the reality.

The campaign that seemed to speak to you was a massive lie engineered to appeal to a specific demographic.

As I’ve said on here before, a backroom Leave campaigner is reported to have said ‘our people are the old, the badly educated and the poor’. They knew exactly what they were doing. They arrogantly manipulated you for their own ends, and if you’re still a Leaver after 3 years - you haven’t sussed them yet.

A lie engineered to appeal to a specific demographic. That's every political campaign then. Plus in realiy likely an arrogant individual who ascribes a shock political result to his puny efforts.

Remain had the big campaign, the massive government leaflet sent to every household, Barack Obama for goodness sake.

Poor editing. Will repost.

You have voted to become poorer. That’s the reality

That is your opinion, not fact. You do know a smaller economy does not mean everyone is poorer? Some employers are already improving pay and conditions due to less availability of immigrant labour.

As I’ve said on here before, a backroom Leave campaigner is reported to have said ‘our people are the old, the badly educated and the poor’. They knew exactly what they were doing. They arrogantly manipulated you for their own ends, and if you’re still a Leaver after 3 years - you haven’t sussed them yet

This is just "leavers are stupid" rephrased. I live in a 75% leave vote area in Norfolk. Are we all old, uneducated and poor? Doesn't seem like it to me but perhaps you know better.

{You have voted to become poorer. That’s the reality

That is your opinion, not fact.}

The numbers on my bank statement tell me that the leave vote has made me poorer, by about 5%. That is pretty factual.
Going to the supermarket and telling them that my money is actually worth 5% more in my OPINION doesn't really work somehow.
The fact that there are more poorer people in the UK than in previous years will not be helped by leaving the UK as it has been government policy not to invest in people and jobs.
Leaving is making it worse as several billion has already been spent on 'preparation to leave' and there is no indication anyone in Westminster has any plans to rejuvenate the UK industry and economy.

The UK should have been leaving tomorrow night, the UK government have even fucked that up, so the chances of helping 'the poor' are remote.

The only positive I can think of is that I won’t have to cringe with shame every time a Ukip MEP opens their mouth in the EP.

Not that they’re there that often, so it’s only a little positive.

1tisILeClerc You may be poorer, but you are not the only person in the UK.

Closed borders

Indeed I would challenge anyone on MN to state categorically that when they vote they always stand back and decide what vote is best for those worse off than themselves

Voting tory would ensure that dh stayed in a job and earnt even more money

But I don't vote for the tories

Oddly enough I did my own research without following any political campaign or believing any proganda.

If UKIP had been given control in westminster, I would have expected them to use the leave vote to score points and create personal leverage, my naivety was in trusting that the main political parties were intelligent and moral enough to put their political leanings to one side while putting together a negotiating team.

I don't believe the referendum its self was hijacked, I do believe the process of negotiation has been used to play politics.

Im not defensive about the iq of leavers, why would I be? Im critical of those who claim leavers have a low iq while simultaneously showing their own lack of ability in critical thinking by using demeaning labels and statistics to attempt to prove their own superiority. I am hopeful that everyone who discusses this fully understands how easy statistics are to manipulate......

As far as the conclusions that others draw from my comments, that is totally beyond my control. Going against the common narrative is rarely a popular move however history is likely to be kind to us leavers.

My worth has increased about 13% since august, so voting leave didn't make me poorer.

Advantages of leaving? Well, there will certainly need to be some expansion at UK ports so that goods can be imported directly into the UK - so much of our freight is consolidated through the EU at the moment - along with extra jobs as customs officers/ freight forwarders/smugglers?
I have a feeling, too, that the US and China will start to fill the inevitable vacuum, and our labour, agricultural and health and safety laws will go to pot.

IMHO part of this mess is due to the constant feed of prejudice and hate by the MSM over the last 40 years - the anti-immigrant stories, the Johnson lies (i.e. bendy bananas), depiction of the EU as the baddies, the 'we-love-imperial-measures' brigade, pro-blue passports, 'elf-n-safety' jibes, etc, etc.
The 'leave' outcome in the referendum was the result of asking a population (with no formal education in the proceedings of the EU, nor, indeed, of our own parliament!) to voice its opinion. Political suicide.

IMO Cameron is the real villain of the piece.

My worth has increased about 13% since august, so voting leave didn't make me poorer

Friends who voted leave have made huge strides since June 2016.

At least 2 have sold their cramped 1 bed flats to 3 bed houses with gardens. This was only made possible because of Brexit.

I am a Remainer and definitely made money because of Brexit. Sometimes you have to find the silver lining and go with it.

But if high-skilled immigration is prioritised (for EU and non-EU applicants) - and low-skilled immigration is curbed - I can't see a problem with that.

Responding a bit late to this...
If the UK tries to make trade deals with non-EU countries and in return agrees to accept an increase in immigrant numbers from those countries, how likely is it that those countries, whose trade the UK needs to replace lost EU trade opportunities, will stand back and allow the UK to pick and choose amongst their most highly qualified citizens?

The UK has voluntarily moved from a position of collective bargaining power to the status of the isolated, weaker partner in very many negotiations.

{1tisILeClerc You may be poorer, but you are not the only person in the UK.}

I didn't vote to leave, and have been wasting too much time on MN saying why leaving is a bad idea.
The fact that 'leavers' are so keen to leave but not acknowledging that whether leaving or remaining in the EU will not actually make their position any better because their 'fortune' lies in responsible UK government, the ones that are still fighting like rats in a sack with 34 hours before the original departure date.

{But if high-skilled immigration is prioritised (for EU and non-EU applicants) - and low-skilled immigration is curbed - I can't see a problem with that.}

It will mean that the low skilled jobs will have to be done by UK nationals as higher paid and managerial jobs will go to those who want to come to the UK.

1tisILeClerc My point was that you being poorer does not mean everyone is poorer or is going to be poorer because of Brexit. I imagine like most things, some will be poorer, some will be better off as a result.

I'm aware you didn't vote leave.

Im critical of those who claim leavers have a low iq while simultaneously showing their own lack of ability in critical thinking by using demeaning labels and statistics to attempt to prove their own superiority

Well said.

Because I don't support the path towards ever closer union, which is one of the first lines of the Lisbon Treaty

ReleaseTheBats
You are deliberately conflating things and like all leavers so far have no clue how the UK is going to survive, let alone prosper, which is what the Leave campaign was 'promising'.
Yes a relative few will benefit but the main thrust of leave was playing loose with tales of unicorns for those whose lives are a long way worse than they ought to be.

Not sure what you think I am conflating.

I disagree with your view that very few will prosper.

benefit, rather than prosper

Anyways, I don't really want to continue a conversation with someone who says "like all leavers so far" and whose arguments basically boil down to "leavers are stupid and didn't know what they were voting for" so I'll leave it there 1tisILeClerc

The only good reason I've heard of is that there something in the Lisbon Treaty that will prevent re-nationalisation of the railways. This comes from a high up railway trade union remainer friend who was on the fence for this reason & is apparently is why Corbyn is on the fence.

Not enough to sway me though as even if they agreed to take the railways back into the public domain, it would take years of wrangling & then a new government comes along & balls it up, so in reality I just can't really see it being an issue worth loosing everything else for