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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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Quintella · 16/03/2019 16:42

Cox's voice brings me out in hives at the best of times, but if he 'my dear'ed me I'd want to reach over and slap his balding bonce.

prettybird · 16/03/2019 16:46

Ditto. The Codpiece's basso profundo - or rather the accent and pomposity with which it is delivered - gives me the rage Angry

1tisILeClerc · 16/03/2019 16:54

{I also think it's pretty disgusting how they've decided to single out Macron/ France. Divide and conquer- always trying the same old recipe.}

Oh dear, what a shame, those naughty French customs officials are taking SUCH a long time to process the paperwork for the food trucks on the way to England. Making sure they check every single line of the manifests. Meanwhile the traffic police are making sure all the UK trucks really do comply with regs.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2019 16:58

The Tories when in govt have for years been their usual nationalistic pains in the arse to the EU and have been enough of a problem blocking progress

It would be very much worse, if they try to deliberately wreck the EU

SleightOfMind · 16/03/2019 17:02

How many of the MPs, who did vote for TM’s Deal last time, do we think will vote against it on Tuesday, now the threat of No Deal has diminished?

borntobequiet · 16/03/2019 17:16

Being! Not doing!

Littlespaces · 16/03/2019 17:18

That is a good point Sleight. No idea.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-talks-labour-theresa-may-cabinet-eu-a8825421.html

This article suggests 19 Labour MP's are being targeted which could make a difference.

Peregrina · 16/03/2019 17:32

Two members of the family have been clobbered for speeding fines in France recently. One happened last month, the other was just over six months ago but the demand has only just come through. Does anyone think that this is France applying a law that they didn't bother with previously?

Annoyingly, the speeds weren't very excessive (think 34 miles in a 30 mile zone) and neither car owner remembers who was driving at the time.

RedToothBrush · 16/03/2019 17:34

So next weekend I've been offer a very cheap ticket to London...

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1tisILeClerc · 16/03/2019 17:39

{Two members of the family have been clobbered for speeding fines in France recently. One happened last month, the other was just over six months ago but the demand has only just come through. Does anyone think that this is France applying a law that they didn't bother with previously?}
Speed cameras are 'automated' to a fair degree but foreign registered vehicles will take more time to 'process'.
One thing the GJ have done is set fire to many of the speed cameras.
Maybe I spoke too soon about possible French customs 'retaliation'. According to the very reliable 'Express' there are moves in the UK for truckers to jam up motorways if Brexit doesn't go ahead. This takes 'shooting your own foot' to a new level!

missclimpson · 16/03/2019 17:56

Yes I do Peregrina. Just heard from a friend who got two fines for exceeding 80kph last summer. We did warn them!

Mistigri · 16/03/2019 18:02

Very easy to accidentally exceed the 80 kmph limit.

Must say though that it has made a difference to driving behaviour on roads round us. It's distinctly less terrifying especially at night.

lljkk · 16/03/2019 18:09

I wonder if Nick Boles will join Tiggers.

Only 200 people turned up for Leave Means Leave March . BBC reporting the tally in "dozens". Pah. And Farage STILL gets a voice clip on BBC R4(!)

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/03/2019 18:10

Dozens Grin

67chevvyimpala · 16/03/2019 18:12

Dozens 😂

lljkk · 16/03/2019 18:15

Check out the Led by Donkeys twitter feed for footage of the ... dozens. :)

1tisILeClerc · 16/03/2019 18:16

{Only 200 people turned up for Leave Means Leave March . BBC reporting the tally in "dozens". Pah. And Farage STILL gets a voice clip on BBC R4(!)}

Any suggestions for the number that will be on the starting grid tomorrow morning?

lljkk · 16/03/2019 18:17

oh, and Larry has commented, too!

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
whenthewhistleblows · 16/03/2019 18:18

Peregrina - I’ve just had a speeding notice/fine demand from France. My trip was last August. I wonder why all these fines are being issued now.

1tisILeClerc · 16/03/2019 18:34

It's worth looking at the twitter 'Larry' link, lots of cats.

{Justin Ng
@justin_ng

Also today, speaking to an anonymous source. They told me that school kids visiting Number10 don't ask if the PM is in anymore, they ask if @Number10cat is in. Nuff said.}

DGRossetti · 16/03/2019 18:39

This is my country - not the living hell Farage and friends want.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-47595582

A man who stood outside a Manchester mosque after the shooting of 49 people at mosques in New Zealand said he wanted to "respond with friendship".

Andrew Graystone was pictured with a placard saying: "You are my friends. I will keep watch while you pray."

He said Muslims at a Levenshulme mosque "beamed" when they saw his act.

"There are two ways you can respond to an attack like this - you can respond with fear or you can respond with friendship," he said.

Images of similar acts at mosques in the Midlands and North East of England have also gone viral.

(contd)

1tisILeClerc · 16/03/2019 18:39

{Peregrina - I’ve just had a speeding notice/fine demand from France. My trip was last August. I wonder why all these fines are being issued now.}
Got to recoup the losses of Brexit somehow.
I wonder if the UK traffic violations will be chased up in future.
I suppose with a 'crash out' the paperwork to chase these sort of violations will collapse.

SwedishEdith · 16/03/2019 18:50

Justice Secretary David Gauke asked to quit by Tory whips sparking a mutiny by ‘Remain’ Ministers
The Sun can reveal both the Justice Secretary and Richard Harrington were asked to resign over the No Deal rebellion on Wednesday night

That story is not quite true fancy the S*n putting that spin on it? The Times here:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f641a1da-4764-11e9-924d-9729bcd51a7f

'Eleven ministers, including five in cabinet, ignored a three-line whip to vote against a no-deal motion and abstained.

This latter move caused the biggest flashpoint of the week. In accordance with convention, David Gauke, one of the five cabinet rebels, offered his resignation to the chief whip on Wednesday night, if Mr Smith and the prime minister wanted it. After sleeping on it, Mr Smith asked him to resign. Mr Gauke said he would, but warned a number of other colleagues might walk out in protest with him. Mr Smith asked him to put a number on it and after consultations with colleagues, Mr Gauke came back and said a dozen. The justice secretary remained in post.'

1tisILeClerc · 16/03/2019 18:54

BBC reporting on the 'Grayling effect'. If leave is delayed after 29 March, the UK gov gets hit by £tens of millions for extra payments to the ferry companies (the ones with ships) because they have organised an enhanced crossing schedule.

TheElementsSong · 16/03/2019 19:09

If leave is delayed after 29 March, the UK gov gets hit by £tens of millions for extra payments to the ferry companies (the ones with ships) because they have organised an enhanced crossing schedule.

"BullyingPunishment" and "ProjectFear" and "Any cost is worth it for Freedom" all at the same time Grin

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