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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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Holidayshopping · 13/03/2019 19:46

May just voted FOR no deal

What! I thought she was voting against No Deal?!

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 13/03/2019 19:47

Cunts.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:47

So May went pro No Deal when it came down to it.

dreichuplands · 13/03/2019 19:47

And they wonder why Ireland wouldn't just accept their word about the border.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 19:47

Mary Creagh
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@MaryCreaghMP
Tories have gone mad. Promised free vote, yet now whipping against their amended motion (which rules out leaving EU without a deal & Withdrawal Agreement). Sarah Newton has resigned as a Minister.

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:47

Jonathan lis @ jonlis1
Gov is now voting against its own motion, which means it’s trying to force its MPs to keep no-deal on the table and cancelling tomorrow’s extension vote, which, correct me if I’m wrong, means Theresa May is effectively now demanding her MPs vote for food & medicine shortages

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AutumnCrow · 13/03/2019 19:47

Timbo Spoons and his Magic Brexit Pantaloons is a Viz Comic character in my imagination, whose pub chain starts to collapse due to No-Deal tariffs but he's too ashamed to admit it. And so he starts to smuggle cheap drink back from Calais in his magically expanding corduroy pantaloons to stock his pubs throughout the land with fine continental beers and wines.

OMGithurts · 13/03/2019 19:47

Can someone explain to me in very small words and short sentences what the hell is happening?

DivisionBell · 13/03/2019 19:48

I feel like we're watching Parliament implode on live TV. What a shambles.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:48

JRM, Wurzel Spoons and now Farage.

harpygoducky · 13/03/2019 19:48

Me too please! Baffled

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 19:48

Laura Kuenssberg
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@bbclaurak
MP s inside the voting lobbies report they've seen ministers abstaining - Cabinet ministers ignoring the whip

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Wenttoseainasieve · 13/03/2019 19:48

I'm disgusted

NoWordForFluffy · 13/03/2019 19:48

I think I'm in an alternate universe right now. It's fucking insanity in the HoC.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 13/03/2019 19:48

oh god, if you lot are confused what hope is there for me? I came here so you'd explain it....

Random18 · 13/03/2019 19:48

Which way did abstaining ministers vote in 1st vote?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:48

Pippa Crerar @pippacrerar
Whipping against the amended No Deal motion is a MASSIVE gamble from the PM whose Government has spent ALL day telling us how damaging crashing out without a deal would be. This is totally ridiculous.

Whipping against the amended No Deal motion is a MASSIVE gamble from the PM whose Government has spent ALL day telling us how damaging crashing out without a deal would be. This is totally ridiculous.

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:49

Which way did abstaining ministers vote in 1st vote?

Assumption Against Spelman as they were whipped

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FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:50

Yes, Autumn, but he'll probably have the lucky Mrs Spoons (if she exists) cover all the French bottles with stickers saying 'proper English booze, definitely not forrin'.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 19:50

Sebastian Payne
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@SebastianEPayne
Govt ministers who voted for Malthouse Compromise:

  • Theresa Coffey
  • Lucy Frazer
  • Trudy Harrison
  • Jeremy Hunt
  • Sajid Javid
  • Kwasi Kwarteng
  • Andrea Leadsom
  • Kit Malthouse
  • Penny Mourdant
  • Chris Philp
  • Paul Scully
  • Rishi Sunak
  • Ben Wallace
  • Gavin Williamson
OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 13/03/2019 19:50

Ayes 321 noes 278

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:50

Ayes 321 no 278
Gov lost

Wow!

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Random18 · 13/03/2019 19:50

I think that’s good news?

wherearemychickens · 13/03/2019 19:50

So if the ayes win, that means no deal has been voted down?

Yamayo · 13/03/2019 19:50

Ayes 321!