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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:40

Mark Francois is grating in my ears with saying "Haitch" I remember clearly my teacher telling us it was Aitch as demonstrated in the dictionary. I think both are acceptable now but my misophonia means it sets my teeth on edge and my toes curl

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 12:40

LouiseCollins28
{So all the selected amendments are from Remainers then. Good job we have the guaranteed neutrality from the Speaker, isn't it. FFS!}

Since the UK is pretty certain to be leaving you are getting what you wanted.
Most of these amendments are some way of figuring out how to do it so the least number dies in the process.

wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 12:41

Though with Farage and Banks and Tory MPs plotting with the European far right to veto any extension request I won't be losing sleep over the outcome...it's not as though Leave are playing by the rules.

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:43

It seems there are no bloody rules!

Pass the analgesia, my headache is back full force.

SusanWalker · 14/03/2019 12:43

If the hoc don't want a PV then they just need to vote against all the PV amendments, will have the same effect surely?

GingerPCatt · 14/03/2019 12:50

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1105797205712093184

I thought it was all about UK sovereignty. But farage is asking forriners to interfere in our governmental processes.
Flames... flames on the side of my face 🤬🤬🤬

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:51

Oh jesus christ, just working this out. Health Warning needed for tonight.

GET THE [WINE] AND [GIN] IN!

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QueenOfThorns · 14/03/2019 12:58

What time is the voting, please? Does it start earlier today?

I’m spending far more time watching BBC Parliament these days than I ever would’ve believed possible!

Tanith · 14/03/2019 13:00

“Beware the Ides of March!” (since we were talking about Shakespeare).

Round about tomorrow, isn’t it? I’d quote “Et tu, Brute?” from the same play, but I can’t make up my mind which of the treacherous backstabbers fits it.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 13:01

5pm today according to the Tiggers.

phpolly · 14/03/2019 13:03

Rufus [grin} me too!!!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/03/2019 13:05

phpolly

Glad im not alone there Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:08

The amendments are all about extensions, probably because every option except No Deal requires one

However, we need to know first whether MPs would choose e.g. a PV, because that requires more than a short extension

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 13:12

Can I have my fingers crossed that Mr Barnier tweets in an hour or two that there will be no extensions granted please? It is blatantly obvious that many in the the HoC have no bloody clue and it is time they looked at what is possible and not which flavour of cake they fancy.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2019 13:13

The thought of a PV again is just pain-inducing. This whole thing once is bad enough. But twice.

I’m also not convinced many Leavers will budge.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 13:13

is I: (Benn) the indicative vote where they vote, then drop the one with the least support, then vote again, drop again etc and that becomes parliaments direction?

QueenMabby · 14/03/2019 13:20

Thanks BCF

boatyardblues · 14/03/2019 13:22

Very late to this party (p39!) and under-prepared, but I heard Andrew Bridgen say on R4 Today programme this morning that there were 500 MPs in Parliament against a no deal Brexit. After I picked my jaw up off the floor, I wondered why they are still fannying about.

The80sweregreat · 14/03/2019 13:27

I don't think the leavers amongst us will budge. When they do ' vox pox' ( is the right terminology?) type interviews in the street the leavers are even more adamant they would vote the same way. In fact, they are more sure than they were before.
I know a few people who would never ever vote remain.
Another vote won't square a circle. I thought that it might once, but I'm not convinced now.

Epanoui · 14/03/2019 13:34

Vox pops. But I have to say, vox pox seems very apt indeed!

The80sweregreat · 14/03/2019 14:06

Sorry. I should have looked up the proper terminology first! Anyway, many people do look like they are itchy when a mike is put in front of them about Brexit. Or about to explode ( both sides of the argument)
It's divided everyone.

Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 14:28

I heard Andrew Bridgen say on R4 Today programme this morning that there were 500 MPs in Parliament against a no deal Brexit

Absolute disgrace then that 308 voted to keep No Deal alive, therefore what, 200 of those 500 voted for something they don't believe in? (My maths may be off, sorry)

Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 14:30

Serves Boris and co right that amendment B won't be tabled. They've had it all their own way, and been allowed to blatantly lie and get away with it, for far too long. Time a decision went against them.

TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 14:30

FFS I've nearly missed a whole thread !