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Brexit

Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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dreichuplands · 13/03/2019 19:41

Have they not left it a wee bit late to start whipping ?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2019 19:42

3 line whip against the motion Shock

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 19:42

I guess the brave Tories have nothing else to lose now.

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:42

Wow!

Steven Swinford @steven_swinford
So Gauke, Rudd, Clark and Mundell all look like they are ABSTAINING

That's four Cabinet ministers who could have to quit

It's a three line whip, so it looks like do or die time for them

Explosive stuff

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Wenttoseainasieve · 13/03/2019 19:42

Can not believe they've decided to whip. They're deluded!!

CordeliaEarhart · 13/03/2019 19:43

Hang on, if this passes, won't ERG just switch and vote for the WA simply to get any sort of Brexit?!

TorchesTorches · 13/03/2019 19:43

I can't wait to see who those 308 idiots are. My MP is sensible thank goodness. JRM on the BBC is awful. He should really consider less exposure as he doesn't do himself any favours.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 19:43

If this amendment was for Revoke... but it's not?

MissMalice · 13/03/2019 19:43

Abstaining is lame if they have to quit anyway.

prettybird · 13/03/2019 19:43

So the Prime Minister lied again yesterday to the House of Commons when she said that this would be a free vote. Hmm

Why does that not surprise me? Angry

tobee · 13/03/2019 19:43

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤨

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:44

May just voted FOR no deal

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67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 19:44

I can believe it.

How can anyone....in the UK or EU27 trust a word UK politicians say?

wherearemychickens · 13/03/2019 19:44

God I have a knot in my stomach now.

Wenttoseainasieve · 13/03/2019 19:44

This doesn't feel like democracy.

twattymctwatterson · 13/03/2019 19:44

Wtf is going on? Total implosion

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 19:45

Woder which way DD will vote and if that will be intended

CaptainBrickbeard · 13/03/2019 19:45

I am so confused!

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:45

Labour Lords UK @ labourlordsuk
^BREAKING: 3rd Govt defeat on #TradeBill today, as Peers vote 193-154 FOR @WilfStevenson -led, cross-bench backed legally-binding amendt (34) to #TradeBill that would not allow subsequent Act to commence in event of #NoDeal #Brexit
Oppn. Maj. 39^

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DecayingOrbit · 13/03/2019 19:45

I dont understand what is happening at allShock

tobee · 13/03/2019 19:46

Surely if those 4 abstain they must have known it was whipped? Surely they would have voted against if they would say the message didn't get through?

Wenttoseainasieve · 13/03/2019 19:46

TM voted for no deal!?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:46

Two junior ministers also voted AGAINST the whip.

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FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:46

My head has started to melt

GingerPCatt · 13/03/2019 19:46

Christ I’m so confused. What are they voting on now?