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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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TalkinPaece · 13/03/2019 14:39

Phew, got here early

DGRossetti · 13/03/2019 14:39

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lonelyplanetmum · 13/03/2019 14:40

Places Mittens Kittens

dreichuplands · 13/03/2019 14:42

I really need to get off my phone and do some work, yesterday was a write off.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2019 14:43

10 days to the People's Vote March
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3510056-Put-it-to-the-People-March-23rd-March

NoWordForFluffy · 13/03/2019 14:45

PMK.

Thanks, Red.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 14:46

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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea
HighestMountains · 13/03/2019 14:47

PMK
Revoke or No Deal - all or nothing 😱

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 13/03/2019 14:48

PMK

EweSurname · 13/03/2019 14:51

Thanks red Star

icannotremember · 13/03/2019 14:53

PMK

SusanWalker · 13/03/2019 14:55

Place 🧤🐈.

InterchangeableEmma · 13/03/2019 14:56

pmk

QueenMabby · 13/03/2019 15:01

Kittens in Mittens (and bright copper kettles??!). Thanks Red.

HazardGhost · 13/03/2019 15:03

Ta red

SusanWalker · 13/03/2019 15:06

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/13/theresa-may-deal-europe-eu-mps?CMP=share_btn_tw

Marina Hyde on excellent form.

TokyoSushi · 13/03/2019 15:14

Pink Mittens Kaleidoscope

67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 15:14

Pmk

Shambu · 13/03/2019 15:15

Good article in the Times on response in Europe. link

In full for those without subscription:

Brexit Europe fears for Britain's democracy

The European responses to the resounding defeat of Theresa May’s Brexit deal range from exasperation at the scale of her failure to fear for the future of British democracy.

An apocalyptic mood on the other side of the Channel was most clearly expressed by Manfred Weber, a leading German MEP from Angela Merkel’s party, who said the priority was now to get the UK out of the EU at the end of the month so that the “British chaos” would not spread into Europe.

The verdict of the German press was scarcely less damning. Some newspapers blamed Mrs May for “frittering away” the EU’s concessions and tipping her country into a “national crisis” by recklessly inflating the expectations of the hardcore Brexiteers in her party. One dismissed her as an “inept tactician”.

Others warned that Europe’s goodwill had been “exhausted” and said it would be best to deny the British an extension to the Brexit deadline to put the nation out of its misery.

Mr Weber, the leading candidate to replace Jean-Claude Juncker at the helm of the European Commission, described the mutinous disarray in terms usually reserved for an outbreak of infectious disease. He argued that permitting the UK to put off its departure would be a dangerous gambit for the EU.

“On the European side we are clear: we cannot allow the British chaos to infect and worm its way into Europe,” he told ZDF, a German broadcaster.

The news magazine Der Spiegel agreed. “Why the EU should agree to prolong this torment under the given circumstances is not immediately obvious,” it said. “Perhaps it would be better to block off this emergency exit for the British.

“Then in a few days they would finally stand on the edge of the cliff and gaze into the abyss. You can be sure that they will not like what they see from this vantage point.”

Franziska Brantner, an MP for the German Green Party and its lead spokeswoman on Europe, said the Brexiteers’ calculation that the EU would cushion the blow of a no-deal Brexit had been sorely misguided. “As harsh as this may sound, we’re not going to do you this favour,” she said.

Die Zeit, a German weekly, fretted that the endless deadlock could inflict irreparable damage on the British people’s faith in their political system.

“For many decades Britain was considered a model of parliamentarianism,” its columnist wrote. “Out of all the world’s capital cities, you looked to London to see how democracy really worked . . . Now nothing is left of the glory of the past.

“The endless debates on Brexit have split the country, radicalised it and politically incapacitated it. Mutual trust in society has vanished. At the same time, the population is becoming increasingly disenchanted with its politicians.”

In Italy, La Repubblica borrowed a line from Shakespeare’s The Tempest: “Hell is empty and all the devils are here.

The newspaper compared the turmoil in the UK to the self-confidence that oozed through the nation as it hosted the Olympic Games in London seven years ago.

“This marvellous island has made us dream, from the Bard to the Beatles, from James Bond to Harry Potter,” the newspaper wrote in a front-page editorial. “But Brexit has transformed those dreams into a nightmare. A curse from which the United Kingdom appears unable to free itself, like an island trapped in a tempest.”

Others, however, said that Britain had been through a divorce from Europe before. Henry VIII’s split from Rome in the 16th century was the “first Brexit”, according to La Vanguardia, a Spanish newspaper.
“Even though the Tudor monarch’s motive was different — the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon to marry Anne Boleyn — it required a similar propaganda campaign to recover English sovereignty and control their laws, their frontiers and their money,” the newspaper said.

HesterThrale · 13/03/2019 15:20

Place mat king. Thanks Red.
It’s not over till it’s over.

I’ll be on the march kittens, with more family and friends than last time. Would it be wrong to have a placard pushing Revoke, rather than one asking for a second referendum...?
(I suppose by the 23rd we’ll know if we’re granted the necessary extension time for a vote... People’s Vote may be effectively ruled out before the march.)

Btw, when they announced the date of the march, I thought it was a bit too late, but now I reckon it’ll still be all to play for.

borntobequiet · 13/03/2019 15:22

Thanks Red

SusanWalker · 13/03/2019 15:24

Michael Gove just admitted vote doesn't actually take no deal off the table. Anna Soubry very good raising it with the speaker saying we were promised a vote to take no deal off the table.

67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 15:25

I'm hoping to see lots of "revoke" placards on 23rd

TokyoSushi · 13/03/2019 15:27

@RedToothBrush or anybody else...

So, if they want to take no deal off the table tonight to the 'ayes' or the 'noes' need to win?

Sorry if already been asked!

TokyoSushi · 13/03/2019 15:28

Appreciating as the default, it's very tricky to actually get it off the table!

I've been super busy at work the last 24 hours do have slightly taken my eye off the ball!

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