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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 16:53

Dear god, DG can't you provide something better for your DW
If she posted in AIBU, everyone would be saying LTB !

Those drinks sound as bad as the Belgian chocolate beer that a colleague brought back from Brussels for me.

  • Don't try that at home, anyone
Motheroffourdragons · 13/03/2019 16:55

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 16:56

Groovie It's nice those 100+ MEPs want us to stay
... but there are 751 MEPs

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 16:57

"She is off her rocker now"

I'll vote for that proposition, mother !

TheNumberfaker · 13/03/2019 16:58

Faisal Islam’s tweet Here is the point the Speaker seems to say he will soon make a ruling on re Government simply repeating the meaningful vote being against Commons rules - page 397 of Erskine May:
twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1105867230389116929?s=21

DGRossetti · 13/03/2019 16:59

How can May vote to not leave with no deal, give the tories a free vote on it and then whip them against Spellman?

Theatre ?

yolofish · 13/03/2019 17:01

bugger I'm late to this, the perils of gardening in a high wind to escape politics! back off to read from p.1

DGRossetti · 13/03/2019 17:01

Here's the pic to go with BCFs Johnny Mercer tweet. Of course it's hard to tell if it's serious or tongue in cheek ...

Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea
DGRossetti · 13/03/2019 17:02

Faisal Islam’s tweet Here is the point the Speaker seems to say he will soon make a ruling on re Government simply repeating the meaningful vote being against Commons rules - page 397 of Erskine May:

I did wonder ...

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 17:03

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I've just noticed that some of the UK's no deal tariffs are priced in euros. So as the pound weakens, the more burdensome the tariff becomes.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/temporary-rates-of-customs-duty-on-imports-after-eu-exit/mfn-and-tariff-quota-rates-of-customs-duty-on-imports-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

Loletta · 13/03/2019 17:17

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golondrina · 13/03/2019 17:18

pmk

SusanWalker · 13/03/2019 17:19

Spelman has just pulled her amendment but speaker has said it's too late now they're in session and if another signatory moves it then it will go ahead.

icannotremember · 13/03/2019 17:19

Who else signed the Spelman amendment? Will one of them move it if she does not?

SleightOfMind · 13/03/2019 17:20

May’s deal keeps No Deal in place as the de facto table.
Although, even the Spelman amendment didn’t go far enough to totally remove the threat of no deal as it didn’t explicitly demand the U.K. gov revoke Article 50 if we reach a cliff edge with no WA.

We’re back to can kicking.

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 17:21

The Spelman amendment was tabled by Spelman and Jack Dromey and signed by a number of Tiggers amongst others if memory serves.

Dromey is Labour.

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SleightOfMind · 13/03/2019 17:22

Even if a secondary signatory keeps the SA afloat, the pressure is off Con remainders to support it.
It was always going to be tight, now it’s knife edge.

SleightOfMind · 13/03/2019 17:23

remainers

icannotremember · 13/03/2019 17:24

Guardian says Cooper among others signed it... Cooper will surely move it, that woman's got ovaries. (That's if a mere signatory can move it. I don't know procedure that well!)

BoreOfWhabylon · 13/03/2019 17:24

PMK

Thanks Red

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 17:24

Here you go. Not Tiggers, but Cooper and Benn plus Lamb of the LDs amongst others

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 17:25

Dromey co-tabled. He definitely can move it if Cooper can't.

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CordeliaEarhart · 13/03/2019 17:26

PMK

Just emailed my (Lab) MP to support a people's vote. Probs make no difference, especially as I got a bit ranty at the end about MP's inability to do anything other than look like a bunch to useless, self serving, spineless twats. (I didn't use that language but I kind of wish I had.)

Songsofexperience · 13/03/2019 17:27

So Spelman is on for tomorrow then?

SleightOfMind · 13/03/2019 17:27

Strange times we live in when we’re relying on Hack Dromey to save us!
So many of these oddly disconnected moments in recent months.