So May has lost the vote. Now what?!

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Lost it by a big margin - 391 to 242.

Please, God, that means we're nearer to staying in the EU.

The flowchart I saw suggested a general election as a possibility - how would that change things?

I'm beginning to think no deal may be the only way out of this mess once and for all. Then we can leave the Brexiteers to explain the consequences of their ideology to the people when we are begging other countries for trade deals and having to accept whatever shit terms they offer us because they can smell desperation when they see it. They can also explain to the not at all racist section of Brexit voters how far from being less immigration, the immigrants are all brown because we have had to accept lowering restrictions on all foreign workers in order to have a functioning health service.Hopefully, the DUP can also explain to their constituents in N I why they voted for a hard border, crippled the NI economy and set fire to the GFA.

How do they avoid 'crashing out' if they come up with some cock and bull deal and the EU tells them to take it and shove it up their arses? The EU is under no obligation to accept any 'deal' the UK puts together if it doesn't suit them. If I were the EU, I'd tell the UK to go and fuck itself.

Looks very likely an extension will happen, but how much of an extension? Are we talking months/ years? I think general election is next.

Why don't they just knock this up to a bad experience and forget about it?

The EU - rightly - will not accept an extension to article 50 without us having a plan/aim. People's vote probably. Even then they won't accept a long extension because we'd have to hold MEP elections. What a ludicrous mess it all is.

I wonder when the earliest date would be (from a logistical point of view) to hold a people’s vote?

Or a general election?

How long would it actually take to organise?

Noname99 Bollocks - i didn’t see anyone lining the street to campaign about the fabulous privilege of being in the EU. Turned out EU MEP votes is absolutely minuscule. Be honest at least, most remainers votes because it’s probably less personally risky not upset the apple cart. Their is not nor has there ever been an great European idealists vision in this county so let’s not pretend there is.

Bollocks yourself.
The choice for Britain in the real world, away from all the stupidity, the soundbites, the fake information, and the incredibly irresponsible tabloids mindlessly trying to destroy the country for the sake of selling a few rags, is now what it has always been. Join the US sphere of influence, without being acknowledged as such and forever being their little toy poodle, OR join the EU sphere of influence, as one among 28 and not the least. It is as simple as that. As a pp said, you have already described the US very well. The EU is not perfect, but whose fault is that? We are the EU, for the moment.

Go and read the Westministender threads if you think no one is ideologically interested in Europe. We are there for mutual economic advantage, and peace on this continent, because its wars tear the entire world apart. Look at the consequences for Northern Ireland already and learn.

Nanny McPhee I was quoting someone else's post at the beginning of mine (bold didn't work) so didn't actually raise the original question, just couldn't resist sharing the image I have of her like a Gerald-Scarfe-esq parody in all her never-giving-up glory.

I actually don't think she should resign and don't think she will. If nothing else she's shown that she's not a quitter and much as I despise what she stands for I've got quite a dose of admiration for the amount of thick-skinned ploughing on she just keeps doing. Far bigger balls than Cameron, Johnson and Gove put together. The only one worse than those 3 as potential new Top Tory would be Rees Mogg ... I think this government have wreaked havoc even before the fiasco of the last 3 years and the social ills caused by austerity will last generations. Ideally id like a go at a more socialist version of labour than The Tory-lite version we've had since Blair. I'd be really interested in stripping away all the media self-interest/smoke and mirrors around JC and be able to get a straight view as to whether he really is as ineffectual as he seems to be - but I think that's highly unlikely to happen. My dream team would be a mash up between Bernie Sanders and the PM of New Zealand (her aim at forming policy based around well-being is the sort of different direction that I think is needed). Some integrity and intention at stripping away layers of bloated corporate greed .... one can dream ... the reality is more likely to be chlorinated chicken and May and Trump engaging in more hand-holding.

How can people still be so confused on no deal. As one of the mos said in the chamber after the vote, "even dogs on the street know no deal is not an option"

How is it possible, with so much commentary, analysis, interviews, people still think no deal is an option.

And when it's voted off tomorrow at 7pm, will the confusion stop?

This really is a perfect example of why the public can't be given a second vote. It's genuinely quite astonishing this confusion still exists.

I wonder when the earliest date would be (from a logistical point of view) to hold a people’s vote?

A second referendum would need six months for it to be passed into law and organised. That would be six months after it was agreed.

Mindlessly irresponsible tabloids yelling the narrative of 'big bully EU' for 3 decades, without bothering to point out the realities of our position as part of that big bully EU, Bluntness. With a big doses of unspeakably tries to think of sufficiently large insult and fails self-serving corrupt individuals and parties claiming to run the country while they destroy it piece by piece.

Bluntness100 if no deal is voted down tomorrow and an extension is voted for, it's still possible the EU will refuse an extension in which case crash out on the 29th would happen. Or that s my understanding anyway.

They can keep voting against a ‘no deal scenario’ till the cows come home, but if they can’t agree on anything else within the timescale (extended or not) no deal (and not remain) is the default position come deadline day.

i didn’t see anyone lining the street to campaign about the fabulous privilege of being in the EU

Really?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36692990

So is the vote tomorrow not legally binding? Even if No Deal is taken off the table is it only in theory? If we don't come up with another solution we just crash out with No Deal on 29th March despite it being voted down?

darkend
Again - just because there is a worse alternative, doesn’t make being part of the ‘sphere of influence’ of a corrupt, morally bankrupt EU somehow a good thing. Both are reprehensible and yes you are right - we are and having been party to this but that’s nothing to be proud of. You are right though - there is no choice. The EU have ensured that this is an organisation you are not allowed to leave so yes, we are stuck with it. Doesn’t make it right; doesn’t make it any more palatable for those with a moral compass.

doginatent I corrected that sentence in the post directly underneath. My typing isn’t great and I missed out the end of the sentence

I’m not suggesting that Brexit is a good thing and did not vote for it as it was obvious we would never be allowed to leave. The author of article 50 said almost immediately that it wasn’t fit for purpose and the EU could not allow anyone to leave the club and survive, let alone do well. But please can we stop with the nonsense that this is anything other than a hugely corrupt organisation set up to benefit the few. The fact that we were/are one of the few doesn’t morally make it any better!

campaign about the fabulous privilege of being in the EU before the whole brexit

Staunch remainer but, that cracked me up. Thank you for the light relief, during troubled times

But the thing I cannot fathom is this...

'The European Union Referendum Act 2015 – the law that allowed the referendum to take place – didn't specify what would happen in the event of a vote to leave. ... It said “because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory'

Brexit is an absolute ocean-going, fur-lined fuck-up that was never legally binding in the first place!!! It was always 'advisory.'

Which surely means that all this 'Brexit means Brexit' horseshit is a load of absolute toss as, er, no it doesn't actually.

There's no such thing as real justice in this universe Noname. It's too complicated to hold out for perfection. There's better, worse, and different. That's pretty much it. The EU tries. The US doesn't. What's your alternative? Some kind of agrarian idyll (for the few of us left as we try and get down to the population levels that this island can support)? They don't last.

It means I've a stash of toilet rolls that the army would be proud of!

It will just mean a temporary extension.

And I'll just leave this here. (actual footage of TM when she gets up in the morning!)

English have always been an arrogant sort. TM exemplifies this.

Nothing good... I can see no possible positive conclusion from any of this.

I'm
Watching Emily Maitlis on newsnight trying to get any sense out of a number of politicians. She can't. Because there is no sense to any of it is there?
It's fucking ludicrous. I'm so angry!!