So May has lost the vote. Now what?!

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Lost it by a big margin - 391 to 242.

Please, God, that means we're nearer to staying in the EU.

No, I totally agree with you on that front. Utterly ridiculous that it wasn't set in that it needed a set quorum and % vote.

As another poster commented there are Brexiters saying we can live off the land (rabbits and potatoes etc) why do these type of people think it should be forced on others?
Why don't they live off the land if they wish to do so but let the people who want to buy 'foreign food' be able to do so.
Just because they think they can go all Ray Mears if they need to doesn't mean others want to or are capable of doing so so it's really annoying me this attitude we can live off the land crap. Why can't people have a choice?

NowordforFluffy
If there is a second vote it would have to be done properly
There is no way the EU would allow an extension for another advisory vote that was as much of an omnishambles clusterfuck as the last one.

Unless UK Electoral Law were to apply to the next vote, the EU would be entirely sensible in telling the UK to take a hike.

Has the EU said this is the case? Or do you expect them to make it a condition of the extension we'd need?

And what's the starting point? Is the starting point remaining in the EU or leaving, as is the current situation?

Plenty of unanswered questions about a second referendum.

{If there is a second vote it would have to be done properly}
With the suspicion that foreign money is still being used to 'influence' and no real attempt to take action against the foreign money and Cambridge Analytica in the referendum, getting a 'clean' vote is unlikely.

Fluffy
The EU have stated clearly and repeatedly that they will not extend A50 for more can kicking
Another "advisory" referendum would definitely be can kicking.
For it to be binding, it would have to comply with electoral law.

Fed up, most people I know wouldn't know how to ' skin a rabbit' or 'grow their own'. Me included.
My parents lived through WW2 : Dad was in the army , mum lived in a flat in London and never grew veg or shot wildlife. They just lived off the rations! It was miserable.
A lot of people spouting this stuff are baby boomers etc who don't remember rationing at all and are happy enough trundling around Aldi or Lidl or Waitrose for their dinner and do eat foreign foods as well.

The EU have stated clearly and repeatedly that they will not extend A50 for more can kicking
Another "advisory" referendum would definitely be can kicking.
For it to be binding, it would have to comply with electoral law.

That is your interpretation of it though. Until the conditions of an extension are given to us, isn't it all supposition as to what they will be?

I'm not sure any of us are able to definitively speak for the EU27, not really.

It will be interesting to see what they are though.

Although if we go back to the advisory point, there'd be no worries about simply revoking and telling the electorate they were never bound by the result anyway. We can wish!

Tusk, Barnier, Verhofstadt, Junker, Weyand
have all tweeted, written, spoken clearly, that an extension has to be for OTHER than can kicking

We are not at war. This situation is entirely of the UK govt’s own creation and it is within their power to stop it unilaterally. That is why no deal is actually immoral. No one is forcing us down this path of hardship and destruction but ourselves.

I just wanted to emphasise that, and link it to the austerity that has partially caused Brexit as well as Brexit itself.

The guff about 'growing your own' and 'skinning rabbits' really gets my goat. It comes from people who think 'let them eat cake', who have no idea how the other half live or that the great British economy no longer works and growing your own is an impossible dream for most. Most people in Britain do not own their own land FFS! Many own little more than the clothes they stand up in. Many private tenants both work damned hard and fall in to the latter category.

TiP, I'm aware of that. But it's your interpretation that another 'advisory' vote would be can kicking. I'm saying that it isn't your call to make. And until EU27 give their extension conditions, there's no point trying to consider / guess what these may be.

You may be right, but we won't know until we're actually told.

Fluffy
You may be right, but we won't know until we're actually told.
You reckon Olly Robbins has not already asked, in great detail.
Hence why Barnier and Weland have been so succinct in their comments
Really ?

Why the sarcasm? Why do you think that you're right that another vote on the same terms would be can kicking? That is your interpretation of a vote on that basis. Where have any of those people specifically stated those exact words?

I'm well aware of what's been said and don't think it can necessarily be interpreted in that way.

But clearly you're right and I'm wrong.

Can kicking is the merry go round we are on now. Not another vote, on whatever basis.

I think we need another referendum. And to give very clear decisions on it. None of this deal crap.

Two options.

1. Remain
2. Leave on a no deal basis

People know what they are voting for exactly then, and the politicians can't soebd months debating. Clean and simple, no confusion. And a quick outcome, if its leave, we leave immediately. No discussions or dates, immediate effect.

That's fair as we now know what brexit means. Chaos. If people still want chaos, that's their choice, but least they know what they are getting and can't complain.

Problem is some people think "no deal" means "no change". You'd have to write down exactly what "no deal" means.

Do that then too. Then they can't claim ignorance.

Although how they can be that stupid already is beyond me.. Surely its obvious?

29% of people in a Sky poll thought that
No Deal = No Brexit

do not under estimate the stupidity of some voters

{Do that then too. Then they can't claim ignorance.}

No deal actually means all the stuff that has been hailed as 'Project Fear' and more. The EU has been preparing for a possible no deal for well over a year and they are not really ready now. The UK has hardly started in it's preparations and more likely problems are being discovered daily. Obscure stuff like the need to get cars and home heating services before 29 March because there is no guarantee of spare parts from Europe.
Those shouting 'No Deal' have no clue about how bad it could get.

29% of people in a Sky poll thought that
No Deal = No Brexit

Sometimes I do wonder if voters shouldn't have to pass some test first.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995

Fucking hell.

That’s close.

How can we have a PV if No Deal is off the table? My mind is imploding - what would the question be??

colourpencils
THe question would be

• remain
• a deal

no deal was always a dumb fallback