So May has lost the vote. Now what?!

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Lost it by a big margin - 391 to 242.

Please, God, that means we're nearer to staying in the EU.

noodlenosefraggle

I was sort of coming to that, then I read something on twitter. Someone who sells seeds.

Someone who built up his one man business and has just about got to the point he can 'live' but has been told that with no deal he will not be able to export to the EU.

The seeds sells are rare varieties of veg. So not something the EU 'needs' but something growers in Europe have been buying.

Has NI had an independence referendum? I don't remember such. If so why has NI not had a referendum? Surely it is their right just like it was in Scotland...

...So if NI and Scotland do not like being pulled along by England the solution is simple - Leave the UK and go independent. After all what prevents such action?

Are you trying to be funny?

NI had a period of urban warfare lasting about 30 years in the last decades of the 20th century, with the central issue being the topic of independence from the UK. Not sure where you were when all that was going on.

Disadvantage of forming a union with a Country whose population is massively larger than your own is that the mindset of the member state that has the largest population is likely to prevail.

You say that as if it was decided by majority vote or some such important event in NI an din Scotland to join with England and form the UK. Union was imposed by England in both cases, and it involved bloodshed and the threat of bloodshed, and ethnic cleansing.

MissedTheBoatAgain
Scotland had an independence referendum in 2014 whether or not they wanted to remain in UK or not. The voted to remain in the UK

And again with this expose of the crooked English politicians who warned Scottish voters that leaving the UK would mean leaving the EU, and Scotland should therefore vote to stay in the UK and the EU.
David Cameron claimed that the only way to protect Scotland’s EU membership was to reject independence. No campaign spokespeople parroted the phrase “EU membership only guaranteed with a No vote”.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve with the repeated reminders of the lies told to Scotland.

There were many other broken promises besides the one on EU membership btw.
www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/870775/17-broken-promises-better-together-campaign-revealed-independence-day/
"17 ‘broken promises’ of the Better Together campaign revealed on ‘independence day’"

Has NI had an independence referendum?

No they had about 3000 people murdered over a umber of years, the army on the streets, bombings, shootings, kneecappings, kidnaps, internment, and just the everyday inconvenience of not being able to walk down certain streets, or being stopped by an armed patrol and asked where they were going ad not knowing what trouble their answer would bring.

NI became a world leader in treating broken bones and burns at the same time.

Then, after someone actually had an idea about talking to people, all people, both sides, they, and the rest of the population of the island of Ireland had a referendum on the Good Friday Agreement.

And that referendum meant more than a vote on sovereignty, it meant the relatives of the people killed voted to have the killers leave prison early if they had been caught and in some cases to know the killer would never be prosecuted. The same for people who had 'only' lost limbs in bombings or 'only' been shot and survived.

It hasn't stopped kneecappings but generally the place is much safer

And now they being kicked in the face by a government that thinks its internal squabbles are more important than any province in this country or Ireland.

A government that had appointed a minister who had no idea that NI votes are usually split along sectarian grounds.

A government that seems to have forgotten not all of the bombs were in NI.

Bluntness100 if no deal is voted down tomorrow and an extension is voted for, it's still possible the EU will refuse an extension in which case crash out on the 29th would happen

The Eu have already said they will grant an extension. The question is purely how long for. You have to remember us crashing out is deeply damaging to the eu. It's a negotiating tactic for a reason.

Ultimately the Eu wish us to stay in, so they would only reject an extension if they were convicted it meant we would revoke article 50.

As we have yet no plan for what the fuck we will do during an extension, then it's likely we will get a short one first off.

Which means the whole sorry mess continues for a few more weeks. I suspect we will get an extension until the end of June, as they have said they would likely permit this and not have us take part in the elections.

Personally I think an extension till the end of June, will simply give us the opportunity to come up with a plan, be it a general election, a second referendum etc,because right now we have no plan on what to do during an extension period. We are simply asking for one because we need to avoid the catastrophic impacts of no deal.

The Eu have already said they will grant an extension

Only if there is good reason and there has been talk of 1 Billion per month for going beyond 29 March 2019.

Max extension I think would be to 22 May 2019 which is the day before European Parliament Election. However, without a plan what difference does it make? Only delaying the crash out a bit longer.

Just to remind everyone @MissedTheBoatAgain hasn't lived in the UK or EU for 30 years. 🐝

Just to remind everyone @MissedTheBoatAgain hasn't lived in the UK or EU for 30 years, but is a UK Citizen with properties in; England, Scotland and Eastern Europe.

The missedtheboatagain with properties in Scotland, England and Eastern Europe

who travels to the UK to use the NHS though not ordinarily resident. I wonder how that can work given the delay normally involved on waiting lists etc.?

and whose ex-wife he is pleased to have screwed over to the extent that she is entitled to benefits in the UK.

So this is the benefit-scrounging-health tourist type character talked about in the media? I didn't realise they had lucrative contracts and multiple financial and legal advisors that enable people like boat to exploit the UK when he has the means to support himself and his ex-wife.

The MissedTheBoatAgain who is usually a man but sometimes a woman depending on the thread?

I'm a remainer. But I do think that a situation where the UK (or any country for that matter) cannot leave the EU can't be good can it? The UK should be in the EU because it wants to be, not because leaving is impossible.

So I don't really know what I want to happen.

Disadvantage of forming a union with a Country whose population is massively larger than your own

Wow, @MissedTheBoatAgain

Victim blaming much ?

You know Ireland didn't actually say 'please let us join ... ' so that you can, you know, just off the top of my head return the favour by sending settlers to throw us off our land, exporting food during the famine in Ireland and keeping the best jobs in NI for the descendants of those very settlers

Oh , wait, were you that poster...

Leaving is possible via WA. We only have this problem leaving because we have obligations under GFA. Another country without those obligations could leave relatively easily.
If we ignore those obligations we risk destroying a hard won peace in NI that is based on GFA. You might be too young to remember life before GFA but I'm not. I'm also old enough to remember life before the E.U.

MissedTheBoatAgain
Scotland had an independence referendum in 2014 whether or not they wanted to remain in UK or not. The voted to remain in the UK

Did you copy and paste from a previous thread?
At least you've learnt now that it's the UK and not England.

MTBA is also THAT poster.

RockyFlintstone, of course the UK can leave the EU. The problem is the consequences are potentially catastrophic. The government voted against a controlled departure. The UK is free to leave however though not that long ago the man in charge of the public purse thought it was a waste of money to invest in a no-deal scenario.

Just to remind everyone @MissedTheBoatAgain hasn't lived in the UK or EU for 30 years

Tbf, a fair few prolific remainers do not live in the UK & have no voting rights here, doesn’t stop them whinging everyday about brexit.

& bellinisurge aren’t you the poster who constantly goes on about all leavers on here being Russian trolls? all this ‘off shift’ bollocks.
I just think remainers hate anyone telling them the EU is shit.
I wonder why? 🤔

Unless Theresa declares to the EU on 29 March that she wishes the UK to revoke A50 then ALL other options are to leave.
The degree of carnage that will take place while leaving is the only issue at this point.

UK citizens have up to 15 years 'voting rights' wherever they are.

{I just think remainers hate anyone telling them the EU is shit.
I wonder why?}
Possibly because it isn't? Just a thought.

So the EU is pure & perfect?

That’s what you think?

Crikey.

{So the EU is pure & perfect?
That’s what you think?
Crikey.}

Of course it isn't perfect, no one suggests that. The main difference though is the willingness to improve.
Your special version of heaven is arriving in 16 days, enjoy it.

We wanted improvements - they told us to fuck off.
So we will.

SurferJet, this is my experience of life in the EU..
*Highly competent administration of arrival in country
*Childcare available from birth free of charge or at extremely reasonable cost
*School start from age 2 and a half, with full wraparound care after school and in all school holidays at a central location
*GP appointments available for the following day, if not same day, and home visits
*Non urgent operations organised within the week twice for my family
*Self referral to medical specialists
*Excellent system of education, grammar school for the academic as well as serious vocational training and apprenticeships

• Almost free or low cost after school activities, sports but also drama or music school ia *Meals on wheels and nursing care at home for the elderly *Planning for housing shortages with lots of building going on *Full time work is the norm. Full time is a 4 day week for those with primary age children, if they choose. Many do. *Tax rebates for things like creche, after school activities and holiday schemes, even cleaning services..

The UK government has chosen to neglect basic services because it thinks the people are not important. Serving the people seems to be far more central in many EU countries.