Brexititeers- what are you looking forward to?

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Just as an aside, I tried typing Brexiteers into the subject bar and it auto corrected to Brexiteers rest home.

After the election JC admitted that the £60 Billion it would cost could not be afforded

Could you post a link of that please

Why did we have ECJ laws 'imposed'? Could it be that those representing us in the EU couldn't be bothered to state their case, and behave as though we were already a vassal state? This is why the ERG objects to May's withdrawal agreement, because it would make us a vassal state, implying that we aren't at present. Something like 95% of EU laws were accepted by us, and indeed the UK (shock horror) has actually proposed some of them.

@CS
"I will live in a country that is not overseen by the ECJ and is free to make its own laws and trade deals. It is not all about the economy, money and jobs."
FFS you say you are not delusional???? I have no idea what your smokin' but it's some powerful stuff.
Everything is about economy, money and jobs in the everyday world!!!!!
I am honestly wondering which EU laws are so hurtful to you that you think we should be allowed to change them?

On trade agreements. Yeah, right. A small, slightly insignificant country will be in a very good position to negotiate with the likes of Trump, China, India, Russia, EU... all of them bigger.

MTGGirl - I suspect that a lot of the leading lights of Brexit would be more than happy to be the 51st state of the US or a vassal state. Any ideas of 'sovereignty', 'making our own laws' would go out the window. Destruction of the NHS - to be replaced with an American system - yes, bring it on is what they seem to think. Just IMO.

OK Farage might be changing his tune if he gets caught up with the Mueller enquiry, and has to spend a long 'holiday' there, in less comfort than he usually enjoys.

However, their appears to be an air of superiority among the remain voters. Those who exercised their right to vote how they wanted and voted leave seem to looked upon as being benefit scrounging uneducated thick heads who live outside London.

I find this really interesting, because it's a common idea, but it strikes me as one that can't come from real-life experience, and must have come from reading the tabloids. I mean, do you actually know anyone in real life who has this view, and lives in London? Do you live in London? If not, how do you know what this stereotypical London remain voter thinks of you?

All but one of the Remain voters I know lives outside London. The one that does is from a working class family and, shock horror, got a university degree and career options.
The others are also from working class families but don't live in London. What with you not having to.

All but one of the Remain voters I know lives outside London. The one that does is from a working class family and, shock horror, got a university degree and career options.
The others are also from working class families but don't live in London. What with you not having to.

So true I said it twice.

do you actually know anyone in real life who has this view, and lives in London? Do you live in London? If not, how do you know what this stereotypical London remain voter thinks of you?

I live a long way from London and although I know a few people there they're Scots who've moved down. Which brings me to my next point, that we in Scotland voted for Remain (62%). I don't know any Leave voters. I think the typical Leave voter is imagined to be someone from a former industrial town in the middle/north of England, or north Wales. I wonder what people in London think of the way us up here voted?

I am in London and know very few Leave voters. It's complicated, but I'm not sure you'd want to live in London if you were of a more isolationist bent. And I do get a bit sick of hearing that I am the metropolitan elite. I think Scotland rules for voting remain and I wish I could tempt DH to move there, for that and many other reasons.

MTGgirl,
I find your response to my post nasty and vitriolic. How about some civilised debate?
I am as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. Because you insult me does not make you right.
Of course real life is about a lot more than jobs, money and the economy. That is a very narrow view.

real life is about a lot more than jobs, money and the economy
But without them, life is a tad tricky ....

Of course real life is about a lot more than jobs, money and the economy.

People who don't have jobs and money rarely think this. Historically we have been used to the thought that there is a back up from the welfare state but this has been progressively eroded.

Make no mistake that the people holding the balance of control of Brexit have an agenda.

The Goves,Liam Foxes, JRMs of this world resent welfare, they even resent propping up the NHS and state education. They resent taxation of high earners and corporations. They want less rights for workers. It's all about profit. They want less environmental protection.

Just google their voting records and look at what they say in debates. For example..

The Goves,Liam Foxes, JRMs of this world resent welfare, they even resent propping up the NHS and state education. They resent taxation of high earners and corporations. They want less rights for workers. It's all about profit. They want less environmental protection

Well, don’t vote them back in then at the next GE (working on the assumption that there is a credible opposition by then).

Anyone who thinks Brexit is in some way giving power to the people should really study how the people they trusted to drive the referendum consistently vote.

Just compare their votes on welfare and taxing those earning over £150k.

Rees-Mogg

LiamFox

I've never voted for them personally but they are still ahead in the polls and ' the people' are apparently trusting their vision of Brexit.

Coppersulphate
{I find your response to my post nasty and vitriolic. How about some civilised debate? }

Now you are seriously taking the piss. Leavers have NOTHING to contribute because there is NOTHING, no plan, no acceptance that life is about to get seriously shit in the UK and that only a million less than the 'glorious victory' didn't vote to have their life fucked.
Where are the plans for city regeneration, improvements to the NHS, sorting out UC. Since the 'majority' voted for this, why have NONE of them actually got any realistic ideas?
Vitriolic, I should damn well think so with only 11 days to leaving and no fucking plan.

People who don't have jobs and money rarely think this.

THIS.

Not to mention that if you offer other things that might be adversely affected by Brexit like, oh I dunno, science or culture or EURATOM or Galileo or healthcare, then often the very same posters will berate you for being a privileged elitist who has time for such extraneous fripperies when all Real People™ have to worry about jobs and money.

I've never voted for them personally but they are still ahead in the polls and ' the people' are apparently trusting their vision of Brexit

Yes, as I said above, they are ahead in the polls and trusting the Tory vision of Brexit because the voting public have no idea where Labour stand regarding Brexit (and I don't think Labour themselves know) so the Poll results shouldn't come as any surprise.

and trusting the Tory vision

I shouldn't have said Tory vision anyway. I think we can all agree it's not vision. It may be riven division and indecision. Plus we're on course for collision, and deserve derision. Certainly no vision there.

According to latest survation poll Labour are ahead in the polls actually.

Blimey, JC had better try and get a GE in quicksmart, make hay and all that!

YouGov, however, has it slightly differently.

Polls don;t mean anything. In 2016 polls forecast a remain result in the referendum. Did not happen.

Lovely. Meanwhile, back on the real world, how do we get past the obstacle of parliamentary sovereignty