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Brexititeers- what are you looking forward to?

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lunicorn · 12/03/2019 15:41

Just as an aside, I tried typing Brexiteers into the subject bar and it auto corrected to Brexiteers rest home.

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1tisILeClerc · 15/03/2019 09:58

People voted to leave and to remain for a wide variety of reasons. leaving the EU was promoted as a 'fix' for many of the ills that the general public were told were 'caused' by being members of the EU.
over the last 3 years the 'cause' and effect have been shown to be only very loosely connected and in many cases actually the opposite.
Failure to understand the real causes of decline and hardship in parts of the UK seems to be most prevalent among the Leave voters, who, rather than try and understand what has been happening since well before the Thatcher era are all to happy to 'blame' someone else and then, worse still, expect others to 'fix' it for them. If you just sit on your arse and complain that no one is doing things for you, then of course life is likely to be shit. The world of opportunity is out there, but it won't come knocking on your door.

time4chocolate · 15/03/2019 10:36

I wasn't aware of an obsession with the man, but I am fed up with an extremely wealthy person preaching to us

How is he preaching to you?

FriendOrFaux · 15/03/2019 10:43

Just for balance, there were an awful lot of very wealthy people on the remain side too.

A lot of MP's seek a lucrative career in the EU after serving. Lord and Baroness Kinnock are one such example.

time4chocolate · 15/03/2019 10:49

I’ll add in Tony Blair for good measure.

Peregrina · 15/03/2019 11:18

How was Mogg preaching? For example, on QT
a few weeks back he was preaching to a woman who had a business importing chemicals. I am quite sure that she knew more about her business than he would ever know, or even bother himself to find out, but it didn't stop him pontificating.

time4chocolate · 15/03/2019 11:59

Peregrina I didn’t see it and I’m at work at the mo so can’t You Tube it but I will later.

Millyonthe · 15/03/2019 12:00

Just for balance, there were an awful lot of very wealthy people on the remain side too. Amber Rudd, for example.
But the biggest donors are listed here if you're interested:
www.businessinsider.com/sunday-times-rich-list-2017-biggest-donors-to-the-remain-campaign-against-a-brexit-2017-5?r=US&IR=T

TalkinPaece · 15/03/2019 12:06

UK has more freedom to trade with others
Which countries does the UK not trade with at present?
Please name them?

jasjas1973 · 15/03/2019 12:18

A lot of MP's seek a lucrative career in the EU after serving. Lord and Baroness Kinnock are one such example

A job in Brussels does not earn the millions JRM (and others) has made by the collapse in Sterling and the conversion of $ profits back to £.

ALL MPs will make money out of their political careers, it's an irrelevance to brexit, which for (most) brexitiers is about getting rid of regulation and going for a free market, low tax, small public sector economy.
It is not for nothing leading brexitiers are fans of D.Trump.

MuminMama · 15/03/2019 16:25

One answer, and not a terrifically specific one. Is this what all this is for?

MuminMama · 15/03/2019 16:26

Ah sorry, my mistake, there is more than one page

Coppersulphate · 17/03/2019 14:44

The reason that I have said it is not all about money, jobs and the economy is because that is what is constantly said on here. That and the fact that if we leave world war 3 will break out immediately.
I have said repeatedly that for me it is about The ECJ and it's jurisdiction.

And it is about the principle of it.
At the moment we do have EU laws imposed upon us. I am not claiming any or all of these laws are bad. What I do not like is the very fact that they are imposed, regardless of what the law is.
We are more than capable of having a fair and open judicial and law making system. We do not need anyone to impose it on us.
And yes, if/ when we trade with another country we will have to agree to certain standards. Of course we will. We have to,do this as individuals in all walks of life.
It is the principle of it that is important to me.
I don't care about the colour of my passport. Nor do I care about the driving licences of those of you that live in the EU.
I care about our democracy and our independence. And our ability to make and regulate our own laws.

TalkinPaece · 17/03/2019 14:48

So you are happier that laws are made by bishops and hereditary peers in Westminster

than people you can vote for in Brussels ?

Windowsareforcheaters · 17/03/2019 14:56

We will still be subject to international laws and regulations. We will have to obey the rules of the WTO - an unelected organisation.

Jurisdiction of the ECHR will remain.

As we become more international and interconnected as a world community we will have to cede sovereignty. Wanting to retain all power in the U.K. is like Canute turning back the ocean.

The stable door is open, the horse is over the fields. By leaving the EU we will have less power and influence not more.

Thanks for that.

time4chocolate · 17/03/2019 15:17

So you are happier that laws are made by bishops and hereditary peers in Westminster than people you can vote for in Brussels?

House of Lords could in effect be scrapped if there was a strong enough mandate from the public for it - something I believe Jeremy Corbyn is quite keen on.

TalkinPaece · 17/03/2019 15:22

House of Lords could in effect be scrapped if there was a strong enough mandate from the public for it - something I believe Jeremy Corbyn is quite keen on
And replaced with what ?
not that Corbyn will ever be in a position to decide

time4chocolate · 17/03/2019 16:57

And replaced with what?

An elected group of people would be a good start.

TalkinPaece · 17/03/2019 17:00

Yippee, another deadlocked house full of people with no business knowledge looking to line their own pockets.

The house of lords needs reforming and reducing in size
but one of its positives is the expertise of those who have achieved things in life
that should not be lost

time4chocolate · 17/03/2019 17:05

Yippee, another deadlocked house full of people with no business knowledge looking to line their own pockets

Where did I suggest that?

TalkinPaece · 17/03/2019 17:07

time4chocolate
How would you run the elections for a second chamber to exclude them Grin

time4chocolate · 17/03/2019 17:13

I haven’t got a clue and I can’t say I have given it any thought whatsoever Grin

TalkinPaece · 17/03/2019 17:15

Ah, fairy nuff - electoral reform and standards and accountability are kind of my work so something I read and study quite a lot Smile

time4chocolate · 17/03/2019 17:17

Maybe something you can ‘run with’ thenWink

Spiderbanana · 17/03/2019 17:23

Many people on here don't live in the UK even though they are still UK citizens or dual nationals, so should have no say in the matter. I know you will say it affects you. But decisions in France affect me but they don't let me vote in their elections.

Why should we have no say in the matter? You are effectively changing the nature of my citizenship and reducing my rights. Why on earth should I not be allowed a say on that just because I am currently living in another country?

I also pay tax in the UK despite the fact that I don't live there and don't use any of your services as do many expats.

Windowsareforcheaters · 17/03/2019 20:46

The WTO is not elected.

We will have to obey the rules they impose on us.

So much better than a democratic organisation like the EUConfused