Brexititeers- what are you looking forward to?

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Just as an aside, I tried typing Brexiteers into the subject bar and it auto corrected to Brexiteers rest home.

Which is bugger all to do with the EU, but entirely sovereign UK government policies

Maybe, but the politicians and tabloids convinced them otherwise.

Aaaaaand here come the excuses.

It's always someone's else's fault eh?

Maybe, but the politicians and tabloids convinced them otherwise.

Surely if someone is going to vote, it is that persons responsibility to understand what they are voting form, and to ensure that the thing they are voting for is actually caused by the thing they are voting against?

Surely every person has the personal responsibility to conduct some due diligence before casting their vote.

There was plenty of time for people to actually investigate what they voting for.

Maybe, but the politicians and tabloids convinced them otherwise.

^Surely if someone is going to vote, it is that persons responsibility to understand what they are voting for, and to ensure that the thing they are voting for is actually caused by the thing they are voting against?

Surely every person has the personal responsibility to conduct some due diligence before casting their vote.

There was plenty of time for people to actually investigate what they voting

Don’t forget there are a lot of food banks in the UK. Amazing for a country that is supposed to be the 5th strongest economy of the World.

Food banks rely on donations. Donations happen when other people are well off enough to spare some food or other essential goods. A poorer population on average (which is what brexit will cause) means LESS items donated to food banks. Why would anyone think it's a good idea??

Surely every person has the personal responsibility to conduct some due diligence before casting their vote.

Indeed.

The leave propaganda targeted a part of the population that thinks it's stuck in a hole. The Leave campaign showed them a bigger, deeper hole to jump into but swore blind there'd be a treasure at the bottom- when there were only jagged rocks.

Songsofexperience I think that's about the most accurate summing up I've read anywhere.

The leave propaganda targeted a part of the population that thinks it's stuck in a hole. The Leave campaign showed them a bigger, deeper hole to jump into but swore blind there'd be a treasure at the bottom- when there were only jagged rocks

It’s called salesmanship. Target your audience, tell them want they want to hear and clean up.

Labour did it well in the 2017 GE election. They promised students (who are supposed to be the cream of intelligence) that student loans would be scrapped. After the election JC admitted that the £60 Billion it would cost could not be afforded

It’s called salesmanship. Target your audience, tell them want they want to hear and clean up.

No- what you're describing is mere swindle.
Good salesmanship is about building longstanding relationships with clients and repeat business. You can't have that without trust and integrity.

Beers seems awfully determined to deflect blame for choice of vote from the people who voted.

Ffs at least own your decision! I have more respect for leave voters who state why they did it and stand by it even if I disagree with every thing they say.

But this whining of "oh but we were lied to, we didn't know" is beyond grating.

The information was all there, the whole time. If you didn't bother to find it and got your political information from the DM or the red top rags well hell slap it intae you because you were warned.

Well I for one don't think that driving EU immigration away is levelling the playing field. W Europe is not short of health care professionals so we can afford to have people from Spain, Denmark... etc. staffing our hospitals and health centres. Not so sub-Saharan Africa and South East Asia, so to fill the gaps we will take their health professionals instead when those countries sorely need them themselves. What a fine upstanding country this Leavers UK is

I didn't mention specifically sub-Saharan Africa and South East Asia, you did (not sure whether you have a chip on your shoulder or not). I said level the playing field meaning the same rules apply for ANYONE from ANYWHERE IN WORLD because there is a world outside of the EU bubble you know. Oportunities for all and a fair crack of the whip, or would you prefer to deny them that opportunity?

No- what you're describing is mere swindle.
Good salesmanship is about building longstanding relationships with clients and repeat business

General elections are maximum 5 years apart. So the long term relationship argument does not apply

Wake me up when it's over

General elections are maximum 5 years apart. So the long term relationship argument does not apply

The original post was about the Brexit campaign, which the result of (if it happens, I haven't lost all hope just yet) was bloody permanent.

Unless you really think it could be reversed by a new government?

at least own your decision! I have more respect for leave voters who state why they did it and stand by it even if I disagree with every thing they say

But this whining of "oh but we were lied to, we didn't know" is beyond grating

It’s the remain voters that preach to the leave voters they were lied to in the hope they will change their vote.

It’s the remain voters that preach to the leave voters they were lied to in the hope they will change their vote

Are you drunk?

You've spent the last 2 pages defending the leave voters who were too stupid to actual do any research, and blamed everyone else for your own decision and now it's remainers fault? Oh you're hilarious!

Riddle me this then, change what vote?

Because we can't fucking vote again can we?

Bo - ring. We are so mean us Remain voters with our different point of view spoiling lovely Brexit.
When you see it all going smoothly, let me know.

voters who were too stupid to actual do any research

Did the students who voted labour in 2017 research whether or not UK could afford to write off student loans?

I happen to think that it's morally wrong for us to knowingly understaff our own NHS and then expect that citizens from much poorer countries will bail us out. We could and should be training sufficient of our own staff to staff it properly and in an ideal world have sufficient capacity to allow people to work in countries where there is a desperate shortage of medical care. My town has 4 doctors surgeries for 30,000 people, so about 16 doctors for the community. My church supports a community in Kenya which has one doctor for 90,000 people.

This is in part why we had the scandal with the Windrush generation - they didn't all come to be conductors on London buses, and the way that Theresa May's Home Office has treated them is shameful.

And let's not have any rubbish about 'we can't afford it.' Rees-Mogg and chums have made fortunes - let's start sending them the bills.

Ah now it's whataboutery.

Tell you what Beers have another drink for me, and I'll bid you good day.

But when it all goes to shit, remember you've nobody to blame but yourself.

"Did the students who voted labour in 2017 research whether or not UK could afford to write off student loans?"
They should have done. Or they believed in magic grandad to fix everything.

I think we're all brexiteers unless it doesn't happen of course.
There are loads of people saying it will never happen.
I didn't vote and wouldn't vote again as didn't ask for this shit storm.
I'll just be glad when it bloody happens and we can get on with it.

They should have done

But they did not and they are supposed to be the cream of intelligence.

Is any leaver looking forward to the beautiful US trade deal (swindle) promised by the Donald?
Isn't it shameful how sovereignty no longer counts when NF lobbies a foreign power to interfere at this very sensitive time?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-brexit-trade-deal-us-uk-farage-twitter-theresa-may-vote-a8822566.html

Meanwhile the EU rejects the US 'bullying' tactics:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-us-trade-talks-trump-european-parliament-vote-a8822661.html

Good luck to us standing up to Trump by ourselves. It hurts to think about it.